OleMissCub

I have thus far failed to see what the big deal is about Tool. I've never heard anything of theirs that impressed me much. Completely in agreement here. For a great many people, TOOL makes heavy metal something more than just noise and into something more artistic. It's loud, violent and gets you angry just like other heavy metal, but there is also a great artistic element to it as well.

:shock: :shock: :shock: How can someone "hate" Zep?

I think the vast majority of musicologists and critics would disagree with that statement. The Beatles and Stones influenced each other in several different ways over the years. However, to say that either one directly influenced the other on the whole would be incorrect. They were never similar bands to begin with. Their overall approach, whatever their particular music phase at the time, was different. The Beatles were always the more artistic/pioneer studio musicians, whereas the Stones were more of a live rock'n'roll group with great charisma and live musicianship. The Stones played better concerts, The Beatles made better albums. At least that's how most rock history books i've read make it out to be. The only distinct thing that I can point out where the Beatles were influenced by the Stones would be "Satisfaction" - "Day Tripper". "Day Tripper's" signature guitar click is an attempt at duplicating "Satisfaction's" riff-driven rock song. On the contrary, "Paint it Black" was completely influenced by Brain Jones' association with George Harrison and Harrison's "sitar madness", which was seen on "Love You To" on the "Revolver" LP. To say that either influenced the other in any large sense would be an incorrect statement for someone to make, in my opinion. They were both great bands who were pioneering their own distinct fields, and were great friends along the way. In fact, as i've mentioned before, the Stones' first no.1 single "I Wanna be Your Man" was a song written by Lennon/McCartney as a gift specifically for the Stones who were struggling at the time to get a recording contract.

Not even a fiery bus crash could kill Keith Richards at this point. That's because he is dead. So is Charlie Watts. They are both muppets at this point.

1960's Rolling Stones is some of the best rock music in existence....after that, not so much.

Then you MUST listen to this. It's an outtake of a voice overdub with John and Paul of "and your bird can sing", who apparently came into the studio COMPLETELY HIGH and out of control. It's a great gem, it's on the anthology, so not sure if you've heard it. But they are definitely high as kites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_deklfynegU

But don't forget the grandaddy song of modern thrash rock! "Helter Skelter"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1NJdiJXSvA I tend to like the Beatles' less pop-iconized hits better. "Helter Skelter" is much better than "Hello, Goodbye" or "She Loves You" imo. "Hello, Goodbye" is the stupidest Beatles song ever. Well, there is a great problem in that so many people who don't listen to them only know the iconicized Beatles as the moptops from the Ed Sullivan show singing "She Loves You" and "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and stuff like that. They don't realize that the boys grew up from pioneering modern pop music and went into pioneering acid rock with "tomorrow never knows" and "I am the walrus", and then helped pioneer thrash/heavy metal with songs like "helter skelter", "happiness is a warm gun", "...me and my monkey", and "revolution".

Just HAD to post this after I came across it looking for the Helter Skelter video...live version of them playing "Revolution" in 1968....listen to those amplifers...if they could talk they'd be screaming "MY GOD!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!!!!" Those amps back then really couldn't handle that level of distortion. This live version is so much better than the White Album version. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf-Q2rDd6Tw

Favorite music video of all time.

But don't forget the grandaddy song of modern thrash rock! "Helter Skelter"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1NJdiJXSvA

Floyd, duh

I was at Abbey Road today!!! woot! Walked across barefoot ala McCartney.

Jeez...i've got the NSBB Gestapo on me now.

Then as a drummer, I suggest you go listen to some tool right now. I HATE Maynard or whatever the singers name is. Their video imagery is tired too. That said, Danny Carey is on a whole other level. Thanks for the advice, but as I've said, I've listened to Tool, not a ton, but some. In my opinion, as a drummer, he's not the best drummer alive. . Well...if THIS gentleman was still alive, there'd be no contest as to who was the greatest drummer alive. He was like the Clapton or Hendrix of drums. He did more to advance and influence rock drumming than anyone who ever played, in my opinion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AHYnrcjMx4

Ditto. I said the EXACT same thing on the first page. "Dream On" is a dang fine song.

He's WAY WAY up there. He's just soooo effortless almost. His timing never falters no matter how fast or how offbeat his fills are.

Absolutely....the guy is a complete freak of nature behind his trapset.

TOOL getting their a*ses handed to them....NO!!!

Yes, in hindisight, I shouldn't have said that about Grohl. Because I remember immediately learning the drum parts off "Nevermind". My favorite is the drum part on "In Bloom" Watts is also a fav of mine. Most musicologists put him in the same field as Ringo Starr or Mick Avory i.e. british drummers who come from an almost minimalist approach to drumming. Steady those guys were. They normally didn't try and do anything too elaborate. If you listen to both Stones and Beatles songs you will hear that Watts and Ringo rarely do fills while there is a vocal part playing.

well they really jumped the shark when they hired people to write their songs for them. DANG! I didn't know that! I cannot stand it when "artists" don't write their own material, especially ones that are trying to be taken seriously. It's one thing when the Spice Girls don't write their music, but when a band like Aerosmith doesn't, that really blows. It's actually the main reason that I don't respect Elvis as a musician very much, I don't believe he wrote any of his stuff.

I won't argue that a lot of Aerosmith's songs sound similar (Amazin' is right there w/ Crazy and Crying for me), but they're in a poll against the White Stripes. Are you saying a lot of their songs don't sound similar? I'm not really a fan of the White Stripes at all. I just think Aerosmith is one of the most overrated bands of all human history.

I'd put Dave Grohl in that list. I remember seeing him on Letterman a few years back after he'd won some award for "guitarist of the year" or something. He turns to Letterman and says, "that's funny, b/c, you know, I'm a drummer." I'd also add Jon Fishman, but it's hard to convince others that he's as good as he is. I'd say Grohl is an excellent musician before I'd say he's an excellent drummer. The fact that he's great a drums, vocals, and guitar make him an excellent overall musician. As far as what he has contributed to the modern drumming community, i'm not sure. Definitely not as much as Carey or Chamberlain. While I do recognize that Fishman is a great drummer from both things i've read and his drumming that i've heard, you don't have to convince me of that, I just don't care for Phish. my favorite drummers list is, in order: Bonham, Peart, Danny Carey, Keith Moon, Jimmy Chamberlain, Alex Van Halen, and Matt Cameron.

I can't stand Aerosmith. They are another band that I just dislike because it seems like all their songs sound similar and are formulaic. Like, I honestly have a hard time distinguishing between "Crazy" and "Crying". They only have one song that I like, and that was their first one, 1972's "Dream On"

TOOL!!!!!! To me, they are like the Radiohead or Beatles of industrial rock/metal. They are so innovative with their sounds and do such new things within their genre. Second, Danny Carey is a FREAK on the drums. Third, in high school and college, my walkout song for baseball was the opening of "Sober" Fourth...the lyrics from "Aenima"

Pumpkins for me, but only Pumpkins WITH Jimmy Chamberlain, whom I consider to be the best modern rock drummer alongside Danny Carey of TOOL. When I played, I always taught myself the drum parts (as all drummers do) by ear, whereas guitar players can have tabs, chords, etc. When "Mellon Collie" came out, I would just sit there and listen to some of those drumparts off that album and just say "Aw Helllll naw". What a freak. "Mellon Collie", alongside "Nevermind", are in my view the two greatest and most important alternative rock albums ever released. Although, I must admit that I really do enjoy the "Dave Matthews/Tim Reynolds: Live at Luther College" double disc. That's some really really good stuff.