OleMissCub

I could list about 50 Beatles songs that don't really "rock," but "Yesterday" is the most commonly known one. Sure, but there are a handful (or more) that do and you were careful to steer clear of them. That's my point. Isn't that what you do in an argument thought, try and prove your point? You surely don't want to give evidence to disprove your point and make your opponent correct do you? If somebody doen't think, on the whole, that the Beatles rock, they are not going to cite the songs that do rock but are going to cite the songs that don't rock (and usually the more famous songs) to prove their point. I respect your opinion that Metallica is a better band....I'm a massive fan myself, in fact, the bands that are pretty much constantly on my ipod are Radiohead, Beatles, Zep, Sigur Ros, Smashing Pumpkins and Metallica. As someone who has played rock drums since I got my first kid trap set at age 5, I'm a huuuge Lars fan and his method has been very influential to my development. Also a huge fan of James' voice as well. Now, to this whole absurd Beatles 'rock music' question, which I think is a massive slap in the face to the men, who, as teenagers were quite literally one of the only 'rock bands' in the world (which is how they got their first gigs in strip clubs in Germany, because they were such a novelty and their music was considered to be somewhat risque at tha time) ...some things to consider. 1) When they first coming up in the late 50's playing those gigs in Germany, they were famous in the underground music scene at the time because they played traditional 50's music (elvis, chuck berry) twice as fast and twice as loud with pumped up electric guitars and electric bass with a constant heavy backbeat from the drummer, thus helping to create the very sound that some of you accuse them of not having. 2) If you aren't going to call the Beatles 'rock', then you may as well say that the Rolling Stones, the Doors, or the Kinks aren't rock. You have to view things in context...when 'Satisfaction', 'You really got me', and the Beatles' 'Day tripper' came out, that was as hard as rock had gotten at that point for the most part. You can't expect those guys to bust out with 'Seek and Destroy' in 1965 do you? I guess someone could make an argument that the Rolling Stones aren't rock because of 'Play with fire' or 'As tears go by'. 3) One would have to be a complete fool to argue that their last 3 albums, White Album, Let it Be, and Abbey Road, aren't rock in the traditional sense of what classic rock is. The fact that some people are stuck in this mindset that the Beatles are just She Loves You, Yesterday, or Love Me Do, really just proves that they haven't listened to the Beatles, but are rather forming their opinion off of the Beatles pop culture and radio play status.

you like them better personally or you think Metallica are actually better songwriters-musicmakers?

but didn't you hear, the Beatles aren't a rock band. They are pop. :roll:

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Not as much as the Beatles or Led Zeppelin... I don't know what your thoughts are, I'm just putting it out there. You must be joking. I don't find the Beatles to have much talent, they're sound is too simple. Yeah, I like them, but they're not as great as everybody likes to say. And Zeppelin, I just flat out hate them. What in the WORLD are you talking about??? Too simple compared to what? A Wagner opera?? I've heard many a criticism of the fab-four but never "too simple". They did more with what they had to work with in studio than any other band in history. In fact, many of the modern advancements that are in use now to make rock music were brought about because of the Beatles dickering around in Abbey Road: Distortion, sampling, double-tracking of voices, using 8 tracks, using an orchestra with rock music, blending eastern indian music with rock music, and using tape loops, among other things. You seriously must only think of them as smiling 19 and 20 year olds singing "She Loves You" or "I Want To Hold Your Hand". Try this on for size and see if you take back "too simple" from your characterization of Beatles music. "Tomorrow Never Knows" from the Revolver LP (1966) http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-46264758777128272&q=tomorrow+never+knows

I can hang with that. I own a copy of Exile and I like it. I could submit to believing that Exile was the last great Stones LP. Part of the reason why I'm mad at the Stones for hanging on so long is because I think it hurts their legacy. You mentioned the Beatles, Zep, and Floyd, who all went out pretty much on top. They have a limited canon of work that is very well respected and well known. However, the Stones have a billion albums and I know even BIG Stones fans who can't name them all. If they had a limited canon that ended with Exile. If Exile was their Abbey Road, so to speak, I think their legacy would be much greater than it is now, from a musical standpoint.

I never said Jones was some powerful influence on their music. I simply refer to his departure as a definitive end point of the "original" Stones era.

We don't need to have this discussion in every thread about them, but your ability to just disregard Sticky Fingers amazes me. They could have released "The White Album" in 1972 and I still wouldn't recognize it. The Stones aren't the Stones without Jones. Same thing with Skynyrd. I know it's an absurd viewpoint, but i'm sticking with it. I love their 60's stuff.

I voted for the Stones, but as i've said before, my Stones vote is only applicable to the Rolling Stones 1963-69. After Jones died in 69, they pretty much lose me.

To me, half of CCR's songs sounded the same.

HUGE ripoff.

Absolutely, that double disc live Zep concert DVD is just SICK SICK SICK.

Zep is in my holy triumverate of Beatles, Radiohead and Zep. So, had to vote for Zep. U2 does have some stuff I like however, mostly the early stuff.

A Hard Day's Night LP is I think their best LP as far as showing the music of their "Beatlemania" days. I'm in agreement with you as regards "Beatles for Sale". While it is significantly weakened by the fact that almost half the songs are covers (a result of them being forced to make the album in a month's time and not having songs ready), it is strengthened by GREAT songs such as "No Reply", "Eight Days a Week", and "I'm a Loser". And yes, other than "Meet the Beatles", all of their LP's are amazing.

Indeed, I think his drumming on "Rain" is second only to a really unknown Beatles tune called "It's All Too Much", where he really goes nuts.

Their John is definitely the best of the group. Lennon's voice was so great because it was so unique. It's hard to capture that. You'll enjoy that show alot I bet. For some humor...check out their music video of "We Can Work It Out", it's sorta famous because they are obviously all high as kites. They had just gotten into dope around that time and all of the writings seem to suggest that they were high 24/7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdlKux504-c

Good set list. It's a shame nobody ever at least attempts to play "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"...I understand it's a difficult song, but c'mon. The last Beatles tribute band that I saw performed at a local bar around Ole Miss a few months ago, I walked out after a few minutes because I just couldn't stand the fact that their "Paul" was playing right-handed. That's a travesty really. The guitar "V" that was created when Paul stood next to George or John is signature.

Seriously, they quite literally are one of the first rock groups ever. When they formed in 1958, nobody was doing that stuff. If you look at their early history playing in the strip clubs in Germany for 2 years, you'd definitely consider them a rock band. Pop bands don't spit on audience members, drink beer and get drunk on stage, get in fights with each other and/or audience members, smash guitars, urinate on nuns (John), or simulate sex acts onstage. Hell, they were virtually (George literally was) deported from Germany for their antics. They really had to tone down their act a WHOLE lot to make them more marketable. To not classify them as a rock band, I think is a real travesty. How were they any different than the Rolling Stones? Do you consider the Stones to be pop? The Beatles invented distortion for goodness sakes. Concerning their music, I'm still surprised you wouldn't consider them a rock band. Haven't you heard "Happiness is a Warm Gun", "Yer Blues", "Helter Skelter", "I Want You (She's so Heavy)", or "While my Guitar Gently Weeps"...to call that stuff "pop" would be like calling Zepplin "pop"

The crowning achievement and what I consider to be so ground breaking about "Revolver" is that literally every single song sounds completely different from the rest. All 14 tracks. Next you should go for Rubber Soul...it was when the boys became men. Deep and introspective songs on there such as "Nowhere Man" or "In My Life" were unheard of at that time among pop groups. I think it may be my favorite album of theirs. By the way, if you like "Revolver", you should check out their song "Rain" which was recorded during the Revolver sessions and released as a single. It's often cited as the most overlooked Beatles' song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJxnSHbaees

I could list about 150 of their songs before i'd get to an AC/DC song.

You had to pick the Beatles' most mellow song to compare to About to Rock? Tell me you've heard the White Album? There's some very heavy stuff on there, especially for its time.

I think the Beatles have them beat on volume, diversity and hit songs sounding completely different. However, Queen was very very good at that as well. Having diversity in your work is something I admire greatly in rock bands.

done, and done.

Absolutely....Lynyrd Skynyrd ENDED in 1977 in a swamp in Mississippi. My vote goes for those guys, NOT these current posers who are on tour masquerading as Skynyrd. I'm not a huge Skynyrd fan, nor am I a huge Queen fan, but if you listen to some of Skynyrd's B-side, not so famous stuff, they could REALLY REALLY rock it out. Their three guitar sound was really cool.

LOVE LOVE that song