just for fun, name your 12 A dozen was just an offhand comment to dismiss Murton's claim that Bonds as the greatest player, I'd certainly put Barroid in the top 10, but I'll play along. In no order, Ruth, Williams, Mays, Cobb, Musial, Clemens, Aaron, W. Johnson, Gehrig, Koufax, Matthewson, Hornsby, Speaker So Clemens is the only player who began playing in the past 50 years that ranks among the all-time greats? You can accuse people of being stuck in the present, but don't you think you might be overrating the past? No, because my realistic list would have Barroid around 4th or 5th all time. The only people I'd sincerely place ahead of him with a straight face would be Ruth, Williams, Cobb, and maybe Mays. If it makes you feel any better I can take out Speaker and put in Griffey, take out Hornsby and put in Arod, take out Matthewson and put in Maddux.