OleMissCub

What's interesting is that most people don't seem to know how truly unpopular Williams was while he played. Bill James makes a great comparison and says that Williams was basically like Albert Belle or Barry Bonds in that he was universally booed wherever he went, and it wasn't just good natured booing because of his celebrity, he genuinely wasn't liked.

Best all around hitter definitely should go to either Ruth or Williams. Ruth gets the nod for being the better "ballplayer" in my book on account of him being a badass pitcher as well. Williams' WARP3 of 15.5 is just sick. In doing a real quick search to see what other players put up 15+ WARP3 seasons, I came up with this. Ruth: 15.0 (1919), 15.1 (1920), 15.0 (1921), 18.0 (1923) :shock: Cobb: 15.1 (1916) Wagner: 17.1 (1907) A-Rod: 15.4 (2000) Joe Morgan: 15.2 (1975) Barry Bonds: 15.4 (1993), 15.4 (2001) Stan Musial: 15.0 (1943) Eddie Collins: 15.2 (1909) note: Ernie Banks barely missed the cut with 14.8 in 1959.

Jimmie Foxx had 519 home runs at age 33, but only hit 15 more during his career due to injuries.

Best age 20 seasons (in order of OPS+): Ty Cobb: .350/.380/.468, 167 OPS+, 5 HR, 119 RBI, 28 doubles, 14 triples, 49 SB Mel Ott: .328/.449/.635, 165 OPS+, 42 HR, 151 RBI, 37 doubles, 2 triples Mickey Mantle: .311/.394/.530, 162 OPS+, 23 HR, 87 RBI, 37 doubles, 7 triples Al Kaline: .340/.421/.546, 162 OPS+, 27 HR, 102 RBI, 24 doubles, 8 triples Ted Williams: .327/.436/.609, 160 OPS+, 31 HR, 145 RBI, 44 doubles, 11 triples Alex Rodriguez: .358/.414/.631, 160 OPS+, 36 HR, 123 RBI, 54 doubles, 1 triple

Ted Williams in his rookie year in 1939: http://baseball-fever.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=38708&d=1207023686 His rookie season at age 20, in 149 games, Williams put up this line: .327/.436/.609, 31 HR, 145 RBI, 44 doubles, 11 triples, 185 hits, 107 walks. dude was just SICK.

I'm gonna go with Jeter. This obviously isn't to say that Jeter isn't a very, very good player, but with the hype he has gotten the last ten years, you'd think he was one of the all time greats.

The comparison to Francouer is invalid on its face because Frenchie is white and Fukudome is Asian. Fukudome can only be compared to other Asian players.

Oh my god....Rocco is toast.

Most overrated player of the last 20 years?

Mediate shouldn't be allowed to win purely on account of his belt buckle.

That site answered my own question: http://www.savethefamegame.com-a.googlepages.com/cubs

So what is the lineup going to look like for this pointless exhibition? Who is pitching? apologies if this has been covered already elsewhere

That was a Hank Aaron type home run. What a shot.

Imagine...an 11 year old on a message board.

An umpire does a good thing for once.

Retire and be done with it, old man.

You raise good points, but he's certainly going to score a ton more runs than our right fielders did last year.

Though he isn't standing out as "impressive", his OBP, speed, consistent defense, and situational intelligence all combine to make him a great asset to this team. He's steady Eddie out there, and I like it a lot. He's certainly not a liability.

Might want to edit the title

WOW at that ending! Oh, and I had completely forgotten that Donovan Osborne played for the Cubs.

Some pictures of the big boys in uniform: Joe D, Army, WWII: http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/DimaggioJoeinArmy2.jpg Babe Ruth, Army, WWI: http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/rutharmy.jpg Ted Williams, Army (WWII), Marines (Korean War). Williams flew 38 combat missions. http://www.baseballbigmouth.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/williams-war.jpg Grover Cleveland Alexander, Army, WWI. He suffered from extreme post traumatic stress disorder for the rest of his life. http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/jpg/grover_alexander.jpg Ty Cobb, Army, WWI: http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/cobbarmy.jpg Cobb and Christy Mathewson. They both served in the same unit (along with Branch Rickey) and were gassed pretty badly while in Europe. It ended up eventually causing Matty's death and messed with Cobb's lungs so much that his speed was cut nearly in half upon his return because he claimed he couldn't ever breath well enough to run (he averaged 61 steals in the five years before the war and averaged 17 in the five years after). http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/cobbmatty.jpg Bob Feller was the first major leaguer to volunteer after Pearl Harbor. He served with the Navy in the Pacific Theater. http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/fellernavy.jpg Hank Greenberg saw combat in Europe with the Army: http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/greenberg.jpg Willie Mays served in the Army during the Korean War and missed almost two seasons: http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/mays.jpg Yogi Berra, Navy, WWII: http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/yogi.jpg Jackie Robinson, Army, WWII: http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/robinson-photo2.jpg Stan Musial, Navy, WWII: http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh153/OleMissCub17/stan.jpg Other HOFers who served in the military: Army Luke Appling Robin Roberts Red Schoendienst Hoyt Wilhelm Enos Slaughter Early Wynn Warren Spahn (wounded at Battle of the Bulge) Monte Irvin Navy Mickey Cochrane Charlie Gehringer Bob Lemon Larry Doby Phil Rizzuto Billy Herman Duke Snider Ralph Kiner Johnny Mize Pee Wee Reese Marine Corps Ted Lyons Gil Hodges (won Bronze Star in WWII) Rod Carew Tom Seaver Roberto Clemente

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She's a modern day Cindy Sandberg. She really is a worthless human being. I realize deep down inside that most of my hatred for him comes from jealously, but there is a pretty fair amount of truth to the fact that she is just a terrible person.

can i? what if i wear a marmol jersey? I thought she already hooked up with you? Or was that some other guy from Mizzou who came down for the game last year? It was me! Hahah is this true? If so, awesome. Haha, no. But you could imagine if it was, it would be awesome, right? It definitely wouldn't have shocked me though if it were true!

Great photo of Willie Mays showing off his amazing vertical leap, which was legendary at the time: http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/8417/willleapka3.jpg