Don’t know, but the fact that Maddux, Walton, Dwight Smith, Grace, Mitch Williams and Dunston transitioned into one of the worst teams of the 90’s is pretty sad. Edit: and even Sandberg into the mid 90’s had he not quit for awhile. There were some pretty astoundingly bad trades in there to help make that happen. The Cubs turned Lee Smith, Dennis Eckersly, Rafael Palmeiro, and Jamie Moyer into one decent year of Mitch Williams. Add the failure to resign Greg Maddux to that and you have a recipe for a lot of years of suck. paul kilgus was the first cub as a kid who i thought "this guy sucks."