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Bukie, when are you going to call out the 3 "unnecessary and flippant" displays of hyperbole by Illinois fans since you condemned me?

Even if I give you that point....Illinois still would have lost what you consider a fair game because they didn't stop the dribble drive. Maybe that's too big of an assumption to make, but I don't see that as that big of a limb for me to be out on. Illinois very well may have lost, but it wasn't a well officiated game. cripes, the Gophers took WI to OT and couldnt beat them tonight in the Barn. I'm not upset over Illinois loosing, but its hard to say "we would have beaten you fair and square" when fair and square never entered the picture. I never said it was a well-officiated game. Never seen a Big Ten game that was. But it wasn't near the embarrassment to officiating like you guys are making it out to be.

No, they didn't. 42 free throws and 28 fouls suggests they got away with nothing. You may not want to hear it, but it was one of the more one-sided officiated games of the year. How else were they going to call it? Over 1/2 of Illinois shots were jump shots over 16 feet. Over 1/2 of IUs were layups. Illinois let IU to the rim at will. How do you even up the FTs in a game like that. Not agreeing with the original post. Don't think Illinois got away with anything, but it's not like IU was hacking guys at the rim because Illinois didn't even try to get there for the most part....while on the other end, they did nothing to stop Hulls and Oladipo. brandon paul got leveled on at least 3 drives to the hoop, leveled, with no call. this was going on while indiana was on their like 20 possession foul streak. it was a shameful and embarrassing display by the referees and you're embarrassing yourself by trying to deny it. it wasn't like the iu players drove to the hoop a significant amount more than the illini. the refs should kill themselves for the sheer honor that they lost. the best part is that the illini will never ever get a home court advantage like that. Really? How can you honestly say that? You guys shot 21 3s! And again, not only did IU have 14 layups, but they also missed 7-8 by my count. And the biggest play of the game was a drive/dish to Watford for a 3. Oladipo scored 18 points, all on drives to the basket.

Oh and FYI, Leonard sat for less than 5 minutes....not 8 as previously reported. Left the game at 12:29, came back in at 7:44. Illinois immediately cut the lead to 6 when he came back in the game. So, even without those 2 points 13 seconds into his time back on the court, Illinois only lost 5 points and still had plenty of time to comeback, though admittedly, Leonard definitely couldn't be aggressive with 4 fouls. However, with Leonard, they had the ability to get Zeller his 4th and completely tip the scales back in their favor.

Were all 13 of those calls bad calls? If not, then it should affect the game's conclusion. You're not allowed to commit fouls and stay on the basketball court. You guys keep harping on 2-3 calls on Leonard, when most of the 26 fouls called on Illinois were undisputable....yet you guys keep dismissing my point that Illinois could not stop IU from getting into the paint at will. Paul, Henry and Bertrand all had legit fouls. Hell, Paul didn't really feel like playing anyway. I'm saying your position is largely a chicken-egg scenario. Every little tap was getting a foul call, so the defenders were unable to stay close on their assignments to avoid picking up even more fouls. From the time Leonard went out with his 4th with 12:29 left until IU went up 67-55 at 5:00, every single IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or FTs. From the start of the 2nd half to the 12:29 mark left in the game, every IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or a FT (other than a Hulls 2-pt jumper from about 10ft). IU got an offensive rebound after every shot they missed the first 7 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half. Leonard going out just gave a convenient excuse and Illinois had little chance of keeping up with IU offensively in the 2nd half, even with him on the floor. That isn't quite true either. Indiana turned it over twice in that stretch. Sorry, wasn't really counting those as possessions. Was counting possessions as getting shots.

Were all 13 of those calls bad calls? If not, then it should affect the game's conclusion. You're not allowed to commit fouls and stay on the basketball court. You guys keep harping on 2-3 calls on Leonard, when most of the 26 fouls called on Illinois were undisputable....yet you guys keep dismissing my point that Illinois could not stop IU from getting into the paint at will. Paul, Henry and Bertrand all had legit fouls. Hell, Paul didn't really feel like playing anyway. I'm saying your position is largely a chicken-egg scenario. Every little tap was getting a foul call, so the defenders were unable to stay close on their assignments to avoid picking up even more fouls. From the time Leonard went out with his 4th with 12:29 left until IU went up 67-55 at 5:00, every single IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or FTs. From the start of the 2nd half to the 12:29 mark left in the game, every IU possession ended with a made 3, a made layup, or a FT (other than a Hulls 2-pt jumper from about 10ft). IU got an offensive rebound after every shot they missed the first 7 1/2 minutes of the 2nd half. Leonard going out just gave a convenient excuse and Illinois had little chance of keeping up with IU offensively in the 2nd half, even with him on the floor.

I'm looking at the play by play and I'm confused by what you said. Indiana got into the bonus with 13:44 left. Leonard's 4th foul was an offensive one (the moving screen) with 12:29, and it looks like Indiana got into the double bonus with 8:20 left after a foul by Henry. Am I missing something? Nope. IU was in the double bonus with 15 minutes to play. End of story. The hyperbole is unnecessary and flippant. Funny, I don't remember you posting that when Illiniguy posted these gems: "But, but, but, they drove more." "But Indiana is back, Gus told me so. They're gonna win it all this year." And some BS about the talent Illinois players getting too close to the untalented IU players. I know it wasn't you who was doing it, but I'm just giving it back to you guys.

Even if I give you that point....Illinois still would have lost what you consider a fair game because they didn't stop the dribble drive. Maybe that's too big of an assumption to make, but I don't see that as that big of a limb for me to be out on.

Were all 13 of those calls bad calls? If not, then it should affect the game's conclusion. You're not allowed to commit fouls and stay on the basketball court. You guys keep harping on 2-3 calls on Leonard, when most of the 26 fouls called on Illinois were undisputable....yet you guys keep dismissing my point that Illinois could not stop IU from getting into the paint at will. Paul, Henry and Bertrand all had legit fouls. Hell, Paul didn't really feel like playing anyway.

I'm looking at the play by play and I'm confused by what you said. Indiana got into the bonus with 13:44 left. Leonard's 4th foul was an offensive one (the moving screen) with 12:29, and it looks like Indiana got into the double bonus with 8:20 left after a foul by Henry. Am I missing something? Nope. IU was in the double bonus with 15 minutes to play. End of story.

Keep believing that you would have won the game with Leonard in there. Bottom line, your team didn't stop the dribble drive well enough to win even if the officials swallowed their whistles. I never said it didn't impact the game. It did. You lost by 13 instead of 7. Whoopity Doo! Right cause you said so, look at you running circles again. Prove me wrong. How well did you think Illinois did stopping Hulls and Oladipo from getting in the lane? In the first half well enough to be right there with you. Then when the referees went foul crazy you pushed it out. Did you watch the game? Yep, watched it all. Maybe you saw something I didn't though. Did Oladipo not get legitimately fouled 9 times going to the hoop? Did Hulls not make shots in the lane? Did Hulls not get in deep on the baseline a couple times leading to a couple Zeller dunks, and a Watford 3? If you're OK with your team's defense tonight, you have low standards,.

Keep believing that you would have won the game with Leonard in there. Bottom line, your team didn't stop the dribble drive well enough to win even if the officials swallowed their whistles. I never said it didn't impact the game. It did. You lost by 13 instead of 7. Whoopity Doo! Right cause you said so, look at you running circles again. Prove me wrong. How well did you think Illinois did stopping Hulls and Oladipo from getting in the lane?

Call me crazy, but I have to think the 27 shot FT difference was caused, in large part, by 1 team going to the hoop aggressively and 1 team not at all. Illinois made 12 layups, Indiana 14. Both made the same amount of threes. Illinois made 5 extra 2 point jumpers, and took 8 additional shots (9 threes, IU had one additional 2-point attempt than Illinois). How many of Illinois layups were fastbreaks or off of lose balls? IU had 1 layup not in the half court. The Zeller dunk early in the 2nd half. At least 1/2 of Illinois were from fast breaks or lose balls. Three. They also missed one off a transition play, so four total. Most of them were Leonard in the block or Paul driving the lane. I stand corrected. But still, IU had 13 in the half court from my hazy memory. And all 12 of Oladipo's FTs attempts came from him driving the ball.

Keep believing that you would have won the game with Leonard in there. Bottom line, your team didn't stop the dribble drive well enough to win even if the officials swallowed their whistles. I never said it didn't impact the game. It did. You lost by 13 instead of 7. Whoopity Doo!

Call me crazy, but I have to think the 27 shot FT difference was caused, in large part, by 1 team going to the hoop aggressively and 1 team not at all. Illinois made 12 layups, Indiana 14. Both made the same amount of threes. Illinois made 5 extra 2 point jumpers, and took 8 additional shots (9 threes, IU had one additional 2-point attempt than Illinois). But, but, but, they drove more. I like when I run circles around your ass with facts you take a shot at me or the team. Come harder than that dude.

Call me crazy, but I have to think the 27 shot FT difference was caused, in large part, by 1 team going to the hoop aggressively and 1 team not at all. Illinois made 12 layups, Indiana 14. Both made the same amount of threes. Illinois made 5 extra 2 point jumpers, and took 8 additional shots (9 threes, IU had one additional 2-point attempt than Illinois). How many of Illinois layups were fastbreaks or off of lose balls? IU had 1 layup not in the half court. The Zeller dunk early in the 2nd half. At least 1/2 of Illinois were from fast breaks or lose balls.

Call me crazy, but I have to think the 27 shot FT difference was caused, in large part, by 1 team going to the hoop aggressively and 1 team not at all. Besides the three straight trips early when Brandon Paul got leveled for no calls you mean? Yep. Even take those 3. Still weren't the aggressive team and still would have had a 21 FT difference. Illinois still loses the game. Make you feel better?

I'll give you the moving screen. But can you honestly argue with a straight face that a visible frustrated Leonard did not completely run thru Sheehey's screen? I can argue if you are gonna call that every time it happens both teams would be done at halftime. Horrendous call that helped change the entire complex of the game. Who's talking about every time? The announcers were talking about it before it even happened. Leonard came back on the court very visible upset. He had a bullseye on him. That was a stupid foul that he knows he committed.

LOL. How did they get in foul trouble? BY ALLOWING GUYS TO GET IN THE LANE!

Call me crazy, but I have to think the 27 shot FT difference was caused, in large part, by 1 team going to the hoop aggressively and 1 team not at all.

I'll give you the moving screen. But can you honestly argue with a straight face that a visible frustrated Leonard did not completely run thru Sheehey's screen?

Forget the numbers. Did you watch the game? How many fouls should IU have had called on them to that point? Not saying Illinois should have had 7 called on them, but it was inevitable for a team that couldn't stop Jordan Freaking Hulls from getting to the lane every trip down the court.

No, they didn't. 42 free throws and 28 fouls suggests they got away with nothing. You may not want to hear it, but it was one of the more one-sided officiated games of the year. How else were they going to call it? Over 1/2 of Illinois shots were jump shots over 16 feet. Over 1/2 of IUs were layups. Illinois let IU to the rim at will. How do you even up the FTs in a game like that. Not agreeing with the original post. Don't think Illinois got away with anything, but it's not like IU was hacking guys at the rim because Illinois didn't even try to get there for the most part....while on the other end, they did nothing to stop Hulls and Oladipo. Hulls and Oladipo had full confidence after the first 5 minutes that any time they drove the lane, even if the shot didn't fall they'd get bailed out with a foul call. Every time. First off, Hulls didn't shoot any FTs from driving the ball. All his FTs were when UI was in the bonus. Secondly, how many times did Oladipo shoot FTs where he wasn't fouled? All those calls were legit.

Feet set or not, you can't throw an elbow into the defender and initiate contact. Anywhere but Bloomington it's an offensive foul. I don't think he "threw" and elbow. His elbows were up as they should have been. He didn't go out of his way to use his elbow to create space.

No, they didn't. 42 free throws and 28 fouls suggests they got away with nothing. You may not want to hear it, but it was one of the more one-sided officiated games of the year. How else were they going to call it? Over 1/2 of Illinois shots were jump shots over 16 feet. Over 1/2 of IUs were layups. Illinois let IU to the rim at will. How do you even up the FTs in a game like that. Not agreeing with the original post. Don't think Illinois got away with anything, but it's not like IU was hacking guys at the rim because Illinois didn't even try to get there for the most part....while on the other end, they did nothing to stop Hulls and Oladipo.