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this was posted at NDNation, and I found it to be interesting All these teams won the conference and as a result bumped out (what some would call) more deserving teams who didn't win a conference. I really do understand everyone's complaint with ND going, but does anyone have a real problem with the conference winners getting automatic bids? I think this was mentioned before, but should the top 8 (10 next year) get in, no matter what happened in conferences. If FSU or Colorado gets in will some people look at those teams as stealing Oregon/OSU's spot? I am not trying to start this all up again, I just wondered what some peoples opinion on the automatic conference bid was. With ND not being in a conference I can see an argument against the conference champ going, but wondered the thoughts of some Big 10, Pac 10, etc, fans were. This is the link that was given.

And USC is undefeated, ND has 2 losses. Were ND undefeated Quinn may be closer to, if not in, the top spot. I just found this feature on the Heisman watch that I never knew was there. In comparing Young, Quinn, Leinart, and Robinson they look pretty close. Quinn has far more TD's but it doesn't show rushing TDs, giving Young and Robinson a disadvantage.

May be the best thing I have seen written in awhile. I am all for Macias not being a Cub:D

The Heisman Presentation is before the bowl games still, right? Any ideas on who will be invited. IMO Bush, Leinart, Young, and Quinn will all be there, but who will be the fifth? Maurice Drew? Does Robinson have a chance, I am not too sure what kind of numbers he has, but he did lead PSU through a damn good season? I think any chance Vick had left with Miami. Maybe Hawk or Olsen? ESPN will not load for some reason so I can't check their Heisman watch.

Here is an OK article on the Fiesta Bowl, by John Walters. He feels PSU and Auburn were the best two teams, but ND and OSU will be picked.

This was posted on Rotoworld Is it possible Giles is making it too hard for teams to make him an offer? I really don't know, but I found this interesting.

I'm honestly starting to believe we will get neither. I don't like those thoughts. The alternatives make me way too sad.

I hate that as well, but I would hate the Colts going undefeated just as much, especially since I am moving to Indy in a few weeks. It's bad enough hearing about it in Ft Wayne, I can't imagine what it is like down there.

Thank you very much for that. All I hope is that ND shows up on Jan 2 and makes a strong case for why they are there. And if they don't I may not venture around these parts for awhile :wink:

No. It's pathetic that Dusty misused Neifi so ineptly that we have to think this way. I agree. And I have a feeling it will be the same thing this season.

Is it hard to get tickets? I will more than likely be able to go to a few games but am not 100% sure. Does anyone know if I would be better off buying them when they go on sale or will I be OK if I wait until I know for sure if I will be in AZ at that time?

If USC loses, it seems more than like UCLA is headed to the Holiday Bowl and not a BCS game. Seems like a hefty price for being blown out by Arizona. Also if USC loses there may be a USC/ND rematch in the Fiesta.

Why would ND opt out? Would you turn down $13.5 million if you did everything you were required to in order to get it? ND did what they had to, plain and simple. It is not OK for ND to bump out a more deserving team, but the fact is they can because of the BCS flaws. ND is not bumping them out either, the Fiesta Bowl execs are bumping them out due to their greed. I see your (and everyones) argument that ND is not a deserving as some other schools. However would you see ND petitioning like Oregon is to get in, or like schools have done in the past? If they were left out, ND would go to the Gator Bowl and not try to win over BCS execs, much like they did in '02. What is so privilaged about the arrangment? It is the same arrangment every school has, 9 wins and top 12 in the BCS.

Derwood, I have complained on this board about how biased that board is, even for my taste. And Rock's House is the message board. The Rock and OmahaDomer are posters there (who are extemely ND biased). That is a post from the message board. Every week they issue "The Rock Report" put together by a few of the posters and place it on the hompage. That was one of them. I have said this many times, but please don't take what a few fans do and label ND fans as a whole based on that. I am sure people could read some posts on here or other Cubs message boards and say the same thing about Cubs fans, but we all know it isn't true. The same holds true with ND fans, and to be quite honest I am getting sick and tired of the fans constantly being portrayed in a negative light. You don't like the school, fine, but please stop making remarks about the fans. There are many, many respectful ND fans. Don't let a few bad apples ruin you opinion of the people who follow ND (that isn't directed at only you).

Vance, it is all about $$$ and that is it. I am not, and I don't think NDistops is, arguing that ND deserves it over these schools. We have admitted it was a business and ND is the best for profit. I feel they are just as deserving as some schools, but they don't deserve it more than them (well not more than most of them). That would be foolish. There are arguments on both sides both for and against ND but those points are all useless since it comes down to money. I don't get why everyone picks apart ND, they did what they had to in order to be in the BCS. If anything attack the BCS for their requirements (which apply to all schools) and for being so money hungry that other teams are getting left out. Every year teams get screwed. It is the way the BCS works and it is crap but nothing can be done about it.

Damn those Cardinals :wink:

Money, it is all about money. IMO Oregon will be out before OSU.

Haven't you heard? It doesn't matter. It's not their fault that their super tough schedule ended up being weak, so you can't hold it against them, and every other team plays weak teams, and they are Notre Dame and God loves them and so does Lou Holtz so they belong in the Fiesta Bowl. Or they met the requirements for the BCS and due to the business aspect they will go. Never was it said there schedule can't be held against them and never was it said it is because god is on their side and Lou Holtz loves them and that is why they belong. This really gets extremely frustrating. You guys don't like ND, I get it, but is it necessary to bash every single week. Yes other teams play weak schedules but I guess that is OK? Only ND's weak schedule needs to be brought up every single week but all the other ones are OK? Fine, they are all in a conference so I guess they can schedule IAA teams, or Kent State, Houston, Hawaii, C Michigan, North Texas, Cincinnati, or whowever and everyone thinks that is OK, but ND's schedule turns out to be weak so that is what will be discussed every week. Yes their schedule was weak, and it is hurting them in the BCS, but it does not matter. The BCS is a business. If anything be mad at that and bash the BCS everyweek for taking ND, not ND for going. I have said on many occasions that I would rather not discuss ND and their schedule but every single week somebody brings it back up, and then complains when it is being discussed. Can it just be left alone for one week. Lets wait until Dec 4th and then everybody can start up again, but lets give a rest for a bit.

The new USA Today poll 1. USC (53) 11-0 1,540 2. Texas (9) 11-0 1,497 3. LSU 10-1 1,397 4. Penn State 10-1 1,369 5. Virginia Tech 10-1 1,290 6. Ohio State 9-2 1,162 7. Notre Dame 9-2 1,153 8. Oregon 10-1 1,127 9. Auburn 9-2 1,049 10. Miami 9-2 990 11. UCLA 9-1 946 12. West Virginia 9-1 883 13. Georgia 9-2 827 14. Alabama 9-2 731 15. TCU 10-1 705 16. Texas Tech 9-2 605 17. Louisville 8-2 532 18. Florida 8-3 506 19. Boston College 8-3 436 20. Wisconsin 9-3 367 21. Michigan 7-4 250 22. Fresno State 8-3 186 23. Clemson 7-4 158 24. Georgia Tech 7-4 80 25. Iowa 7-4 76 ND slipped a bit after the Stanford scare. Interesting to note though that the Stanford game helped ND in the computer polls (at least Sagarins) due to Stanfords strength of schedule.

Completely disagree with that. Going with DJ does nothing to change my opinion of Weis, whether ND won or lost. This season was amazing and far exceeded my expectations.

How would UCLA get screwed. They would win the PAC-10 and get an automatic berth, right?

Might make you feel a little better to know it is the last time ND will ever get a payout like that. My problem is not that it's ND, it's that the networks make such a big deal about ND's payout (as opposed to anyone else's). In other words, I don't care that ND gets that money, but don't make the outcome of the game ABOUT the money btw, what is ND's deal next year? They get less money if they make the BCS but are guarenteed money if they don't make it. Here is a link I agree that it was mentioned to much on the TV. In reality that money has been on the line every game since their second loss, but I guess calling this game a 13.5 million game makes it more dramatic or something.

Might make you feel a little better to know it is the last time ND will ever get a payout like that.

Hopefully this game is a wake up call for the Irish before the Fiesta Bowl :party2:

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