Agreed. This is why I mentioned Pierce's plus/minus above. Which was only fifth best on his own team this year, by the way. I don't think that's true. It might feel intuitive to you, but I'd like to see more evidence to support this than hypotheticals. Fair enough. I put less faith in basketball metrics than, say, baseball ones because you're right, they still need some tweaking. But I think they provide more value than the "eye test" of the average fan. You might find this useful reading, http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-38-359/PER-on-Trial.html