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people say "a whopping 683 plate appearances" as though it's extremely uncommon for players to reach the majors having had fewer than this many plate appearances at the more advanced minor league levels. it's not. it's actually quite common. and he performed at a decent level in west tennessee in 2005 (it's a pitcher's league and a pitcher's park), beat up pitching in iowa during 2005, and played well for the big club in 2006. it was time to see if he would sink or swim in 2006; starting him out at iowa would have been pointless. in if ronny was "rushed" then i would guess you could say that most of the starting players in baseball were also "rushed." Ryan Theriot wasn't rushed. He was a 27 year old rookie. If only Ronny was afforded the same luxury. He could go mash in AAA for another couple years. And what good would that do? (I assume you were being sarcastic) I agree that Ronny is probably a better player than Ryan, but he played an entire season at SS in 2006 and was Macias-level awful in over 500 AB's: .245 .271 .339 In virtually the same no. of AB's last season, Theriot put up: .266 .326 .346 The argument that Cedeno is so clearly better than Theriot is belied by the facts. The argument is that Cedeno's ceiling is higher, not that he's necessarily better at this exact moment. Given Theriot's age and minor league history, that line in 2007 is likely around the best you can expect from him. Given Cedeno's age and his minor league numbers, it's reasonable to expect that he underperformed in 2006 and has a great chance of doing much better if he gets to play. I "hear" you, and agree insomuch as playing Cedeno every day couldn't be worse than what Theriot is likely to do. That said, the difference is likely to be nominal, at least offensively. What we need is an external candidate.

people say "a whopping 683 plate appearances" as though it's extremely uncommon for players to reach the majors having had fewer than this many plate appearances at the more advanced minor league levels. it's not. it's actually quite common. and he performed at a decent level in west tennessee in 2005 (it's a pitcher's league and a pitcher's park), beat up pitching in iowa during 2005, and played well for the big club in 2006. it was time to see if he would sink or swim in 2006; starting him out at iowa would have been pointless. in if ronny was "rushed" then i would guess you could say that most of the starting players in baseball were also "rushed." Ryan Theriot wasn't rushed. He was a 27 year old rookie. If only Ronny was afforded the same luxury. He could go mash in AAA for another couple years. And what good would that do? (I assume you were being sarcastic) I agree that Ronny is probably a better player than Ryan, but he played an entire season at SS in 2006 and was Macias-level awful in over 500 AB's: .245 .271 .339 In virtually the same no. of AB's last season, Theriot put up: .266 .326 .346 The argument that Cedeno is so clearly better than Theriot is belied by the facts.

I agree Rush Street Ronny should be starting, but so long as Ryan is (and my suspicion is that he won't be come May 1st) I might as well support him. Also, I think Ronny's nickname is still hurting him in Lou's eyes. That said, it says something that he made the team over Cintron.

that's a problem with the manager, not the player I agree with this. This is the reason why I don't get all the Theriot hate. Its not his fault that he is batting leadoff.

So it begins...

Bump Neyer on Pie:

I think we are still one bat away. Wouldn"t hurt to have another SP too.

While I do not agree that Marquis and Dempster are better than Marshall, I agree this is a good problem to have. Some of you guys want to have it both ways. Marshall will be back after one of these guys gets moved, likely Marquis.

Per ESPN

With great care. Two words...athletic supporter. If you can't be an athlete, then be an athletic supporter. But I digress. I still am not certain what effect Sabean had on Terry Ryan's decision to have Liriano start this season in the minors. In any case, does this mean he hasn't gotten his velocity back? His control? Needs to strecth out his arm a bit?

Yes,GCG, please do. And while you are at it can you please explain how this baseball game is played? I mean, how can a man with four balls walk?

I agree that is arguably one of the worst trades of all-time, but it still doesn't explain what Sabean is doing in this thread.

Murton's value will go up as the season goes on and the injuries start to pile up. He is a very solid ML contributor and could easily be traded to another contender or used as a chip in a deal for the SS we so desperately need.

WTF?

Some of you guys need to read "Getting to Yes". If you leave the table and say, "take it or leave it", you had better mean it. If they come back and ask you for more and you give in, your credibility and integrity are shot for all-time. When I do union negotiations, that is the tact I take. If I tell you I cannot do something then I mean I cannot do it. If I tell you I won't do something at this point, that doesn't mean I can't change my mind and attempt to find a middle ground. If I tell you that I will think about it, then I will ponder the proposal and see whether a compromise is possible. And when I tell you this is our "final offer" I mean it. That's it.

Here guys....a quote from Bruce Almight's lastest column over at the herald. That's the reason why they signed Johnson, because of the "grit factor." Have fun guys. You should have your eyes checked, pronto!!!! I read it as Bruce making a joke about the grit, and how the Cubs want that, while pointing out that they also need his OBP. Agreed

Here guys....a quote from Bruce Almight's lastest column over at the herald. That's the reason why they signed Johnson, because of the "grit factor." Have fun guys. You should have your eyes checked, pronto!!!!

I might get savaged for saying it, but I could live with that deal if only because Lopez is an upgrade (however slight) at SS over Theriot, IMO. I don't see why the Nats would do it though. They already have Kearns, Milledge, and Dukes.

Happy to have him, just worried about his health and ability to drive the ball after herniating a disc in his back.

Everyone puts up huge numbers in the PCL. Big deal. Look at PCL stats from 2007, sort by OPS, and count the number of Shortstops ranked above Cedeno. Link No offense, but so what? Did you some of the other names on that list? Joey Gathright kicked butt in the PCL last season. AAA is not a prospect league anymore. Its a dumping ground for AAAA players.

that's a pretty low projection for a guy with a career OBP over .370 against LHP His back condition probably accounts for the projection.

204. Zack Greinke 205. Ryan "Donnie" Garko

I don't think he has developed the hitting eye and patience that we all hoped he would have by now. Is it too early to worry? Any historical comparisons (besides the oft-noted Cory Patterson) who trended this way and later developed into good ML-ers?

Give this man a prize. I used to post stuff about a lineup choices in the old days (circa 04' and 05') and get shouted down about how it does not matter where people bat so long as they get on base. Some of you need to take your own advice.

He had a herniated disc in his back. Those injuries scare me. He didn't have great power before he hurt his back. I suppose he can still get on base at a decent clip.