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Your professors won't think too kindly of it. GO TO CLASS.

SI has the reds finishing two games behind the Cubs....what are they smoking??? :pig: The media still loves Dusty. Just like the love Torre too.

Dope had a real nice career with the Cubs and Giants in my MVP 2005 for the PS2. .288/.367/.548 479 HR

I'm glad too, b/c I think Sean will be a lot more valuable to the Cubs than Roberts will be come June and July.

Or Paul Bako.

I don't particularly want to see a Wild Card team with HFA over a division winner. The radio headset proposal will be interesting to watch, though. I don't really care about football, but why don't they put the radio headset in everybody's helmet?

i doubt the scoreboard is that far back or that high in this park. I don't know..take a peek: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/51/113182645_7af35204f6.jpg?v=0 That's a tall scoreboard tall, but 4 stories tall? no a story is not ten feet. One story is around 30 feet depending on the height of a ceiling.

Come again? I've heard lots of people admit they believe in the curse. Out of frustration or seriously?

Can one of the mods sticky this so we can look at it and the end of the season?

BTW> I'd be shocked if anyone admitted to believing in a curse. I believe that people believe in the curse, i just to think they'd admit it in public.

I already tried that tactic and it was found lacking. The way I see it, Theriot is a good bet to be at replacement level performance, or close to it. Cedeno probably is too, but at least there's a chance that he sees the light.

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Because that's not a fair comparison? Whether you want to admit it or not, age is relevant to the discussion. It's somewhat relevant, but still players tend to blossom at different ages. People aren't flowers. However, players tend to get better then plateau at around age 26-28. At least Cedeno has a chance. But really, this is an incredibly stupid argument in many respects. If Theriot or Cedeno stinks it up they should be replaced as fast as possible.

probably not. am i the only one who is sick of hearing about ronny's "upside" without the caveat that he was horrendous for an entire year and is very unlikely to reach that upside? not nearly as sick as I am of hearing about how horrible Ronny is and how he can't hit ML pitching, without the caveat that he was 23 freaking years old. you say "23 freaking years old" like it's unheard of for a guy to come up at that age and perform well. i'd venture a guess that the average major leaguer breaks into the league around age 23. and i am still waiting for some examples of guys who have been truly horrible players for their entire first year of play, at age 22 through 24, and turned out to be above average major leaguers. Quick and dirty Rich Aurilla Michael Young.

Don't kill it. Let it die of natural causes. It can be the senile old uncle who wets his pants.

Because that's not a fair comparison? Whether you want to admit it or not, age is relevant to the discussion.

Granted, nothing is impossible, but it's improbable. It's also improbable for Cedeno to be as bad as Cedeno was in 2006. If either is that bad, there's plenty of chance to switch to the other after a month or two, but in a year where a game or two can be the difference between winning the division and missing the playoffs, it's not an absurd position to go with the safer bet. The safer bet for what?

Floor and ceiling talk is nonsensical. It's meaningless scoutspeak and has no place in a rational baseball discussion. If either one or both of those two are playing poorly they should be replaced. It doesn't matter if its .290 OBP vs. 270 OBP or whatever numbers one wants to use. Just because you say it doesn't, doesn't make it true. There is definite merit to compare a low-risk, low-reward player to a high-risk, high-reward player. If you know you are getting between a .320 OBP and a .340 OBP with one player, but the other player could give you between a .290 OBP and a .360 OBP, it's worth considering the safer player, especially if you can't afford the low-end production of the risky player. I'll accept that if you can assure me or anyone what the ranges will be. Because no one can know the future, talk of ceiling and floor is vacuous. It's what people say when they want to sound smart.

do you recall that the cubs went into the last weekend of 2007 without having the division locked up? we won 85 games and took the back door into the playoffs because milwaukee crapped the bed at the end of the year. they have a lot of good young players, and might be a few games better this year. losing a game or two because of poor personnel decisions could cost the cubs a spot in the playoffs. Floor and ceiling talk is nonsensical. It's meaningless scoutspeak and has no place in a rational baseball discussion. If either one or both of those two are playing poorly they should be replaced. It doesn't matter if its .290 OBP vs. 270 OBP or whatever numbers one wants to use.

I'll remind you that this path started when you suggested that Murton's demotion was a result of coincidence and not Hendry's decisions. I've never said Murton should prevent you from signing the premiere FA. Though it would be nice if that premiere FA were actually elite or at least great. When the premiere FA is wildly overpaid for what he brings to the table and his age, it's having a complimentary player like Murton at the same position that allows you to pass on him and better allocate your resources. Of course, you can only pass on him if you haven't spent the last 5 years making horrible decisions about how to build a baseball team. B/c if Hendry hadn't done that, we wouldn't need Soriano - or at least hopefully Hendry wouldn't think we needed him - and we'd have a lot more money to spend on a lot better players where we have no useful alternative (for the last several years, CF, SS, and C w/ the exception of Barret's few good/really good years, SP would be a good one this year). So we agree then: given where the Cubs were after the 2006 season, signing Soriano was the right move, even though it came at the expense of Matt Murton's shot at an everyday role on this team. And I maintain that the latter was indeed a coincidence and not a conscious choice to phase Murton out of the picture. Look the guy they needed most happens to play Murton's position. That's an unfortunate coincidence, because as you have said, Murton's a useful complimentary player. And I'll remind you that how the Cubs got to where they were after the 2006 season, and the decisions Hendry made that led them there, is a separate topic entirely. No, signing Soriano wasn't a good move. It will look even worse with each succeeding year until Soriano retires.

That's awesome!

Not for a championship-caliber team. I'm not going to go to the trouble of finding the stats because it's not worth my time, but that's just plain wrong.

That's a real interesting article. The question I have is does this type of analysis discount the idea that Pie will make progress if given more opportunities? I have several other questions too: Is a platoon good for a young/developing player like Pie? What are the opportunity costs for paying two players to do one job? What does this do for Pie's trade value? I guess it's good to have a guy like Johnson who can play multiple OF positions, but let's not forget he was just released by another team, a team with a semi-competent JM to boot. This discussion has been going around in several other threads, it's good to have one place to discuss it

That's possible and it's also possible that Theriot will work on his weaknesses and limit the holes. Exactly. The one of the real points for my original post is that we're stuck with Theriot. Instead of writing him off, is there a chance that he can be a positive? No, there isn't. There's a chance he might not hurt the team too bad, but that's the upside. That's exactly what I was going to write.