TruffleShuffle

i think he should be allowed to continue coaching, but only on the condition that he is raped once before continuing his coaching responsibilities.

he didn't get fired, he resigned. or retired, whatever you want to call it. i'm not going to agree with you, or apparently most people, but i believe in chain of command within an organization, rather than every person being responsible for reporting something to everyone else. in large organizations you're trained to report situations to superiors except in the case of imminent danger, and the superiors are expected to follow a set of procedures from there. if i suspect abuse but not imminent danger as part of my coaching in special olympics, i pass this along to the administration. as a third party, i don't know that i'd follow up because i assume the people in the administration will handle the situation properly. even if i did follow up, i'm not sure that i'd get any answers because of privacy rules. say i'm a middle manager at a company and a female employee comes to me saying that she's been harassed by a male co-worker. say i'm expected to pass this information along to upper management, and i do so, and they interview her and find that there likely has been harassment going on. but for whatever reason - embarrassment, fear of litigation, they view the male employee as a bright up-and-coming star in the company - they take no action. then the woman gets raped by the harassing co-worker. should i, the middle manager, be fired or punished or publicly shamed for not pushing her claim more? i don't think so, because i did my responsibility properly. the people above me did not. now i'm sure your response will be "but joepa is psu athletics!!!!!!!" but in legal matters, he has always deferred to the administration, as he did here. you are welcome to feel otherwise.

child molestors and dog fighters. gotta love those Philly Phans!! hey look we can't all be as emotionally stable as minnesotacubsfan

everything disgusts you.

no, he just said that sexual abuse can go on unchecked for years because of people like me. sorry if i didn't take that as positive commentary. i'm probably more outraged than most because it happened at a school i attended and certain people prominent in the administration completely disregarded their professional duties (not to mention their moral failings). the number of people you're willing to throw under the bus is not a good gauge of one's outrage.

hey scottie pippen wouldn't even give them 15 percent.

get it right, i support ALL forms of rape. children, males, females, horses, inanimate objects, etc.

give me a break. as it works out he gave up kipnis, shelby miller, jake turner and brian matusz for michael choice and matt harvey. choice has certainly improved his standing as a prospect and matusz was a horrific disappointment last year, but kipnis appears to be a good offensive 2b and would've been a good replacement for cano, and miller is one of the top 10 prospects in baseball. turner is probably top 25. considering that i wasn't going anywhere last year, my team has certainly improved with the trade. but maybe you should badger the commissioner about it until he gets fed up and quits.

since i'm being accused of condoning sexual abuse of children (despite already stating that someone close to me was abused for years while growing up) i'm done with this discussion. i'll just post this blog that i read which agrees reasonably well with my feelings on the matter. hopefully some of you will read it. http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/11/5/2540413/should-joe-paterno-have-done-more-to-protect-children

yeah you've got it, it's my fault and i fully support sexual abuse in all its forms.

i guess that's the real question... what he thought happened with the investigation. did he think that the whole thing was swept under the rug by the administration? if so then i agree that he made a poor decision in not pushing for it to be investigated by police (but again, i don't think it's his place to go to the cops - he should have urged mcqueary or curley to do so). if he thought it was investigated and resolved properly, that's another story. or maybe he's just old and forgot about it. who knows.

i don't think it's his place to go to the police. if mcqueary wants to do it, fine - he witnessed the incident first-hand. curley, schultz and possibly spanier were legally obligated to report it and failed. the main responsibility is with them. all paterno had was an allegation of inappropriate conduct of a sexual nature in the locker room shower. that's not much to report. plus if campus police or the administration had undertaken their own investigation and found that sandusky was using poor judgement but not acting maliciously ("horsing around") and word gets out that paterno is pushing for an investigation, then you have a married father branded as a pedophile. i don't think it's the middle man's job to follow up or to undercut his superiors. you have to expect that the administration is going to do its job properly. if you don't have that expectation then you probably shouldn't be part of that organization at all.

Because he followed the state guidelines for reporting child abuse? Great commentary as always, smack. "Hey, uh, coach, I saw coach Sandusky butt [expletive] a 10 year old in the shower" "well i'll pass it along!" *takes a dump in his pants* 1.4

He wasn't told that, and Sandusky had been retired for three years. He absolutely was told that, he admitted it in sworn testimony. And if you don't want to count Sandusky as a current subordinate then it's even worse that he never contacted the police. no, that's not worse. at all. if he were a subordinate then paterno could arguably be considered the top of the chain of command, and perhaps be the person obligated to contact police. since he was not sandusky's boss any more, he passed the complaint along to the people whose job it is to deal with matters like that. paterno has been quite consistent throughout his career in staying out of legal matters when his players are involved. he lets the administration handle it. as for the sworn testimony, please point me to where paterno was told by mcqueary that a rape had occurred.

He wasn't told that, and Sandusky had been retired for three years. So he claims. You really believe the GA told him that he witnessed Sandusky in the shower with a young boy and that JoePa didn't get any details before reporting it to the AD? he's a conservative old man and sandusky is a personal friend; i'm pretty sure he's not going to ask for graphic detail. "inappropriate sexual conduct" is plenty to pass it along to one's superiors. curley and schultz were the ones who interviewed mcqueary in detail and were the ones responsible for reporting the incident to police; they failed to do so. if you're going to get mad at paterno, then get mad at everyone - mcqueary, curley, schultz, spanier, that janitor (who witnessed a similar attack and didn't report it), the football coach at a local high school (who witnessed sandusky lying on a wrestling mat face to face with a minor, and also thought sandusky exhibited "clingy" behavior toward a young man), the detectives who investigated previous claims but didn't end up with a prosecution, the people from the department of welfare, etc.

He wasn't told that, and Sandusky had been retired for three years.

Because he followed the state guidelines for reporting child abuse? Great commentary as always, smack. Hold up here. Are you defending Paterno? Let me guess, you're going to act like defending joe paterno is defending sexual abuse of children. Would you like to tell me what the state guidelines are for reporting child abuse within an organization? I find it quite ironic that a guy who has always been praised for following the rules and doing things by the book is being thrown under the bus for doing that now. Full disclosure, someone close to me was systematically abused by a family member while growing up, and I work with vulnerable youths as a special olympics coach. I abhor sexual abuse of minors.

Because he followed the state guidelines for reporting child abuse? Great commentary as always, smack.

This weekend wasn't the first time this information came out, right? I feel like we heard about the first indications of an investigation a while ago and it has just been keep since then. I have to believe that if this wasn't JoePa, there would be more of an uproar about his ouster. Apparently the media is more interested in free tattoos than children being raped. I guess you missed the part where this story led the ABC/NBC nightly news and has been at the top of the CNN website all weekend.

at UVA, a frickin LOT of tools.

There are a lot of NFL players in both these defenses. In that they will be good enough to play in the nfl, or they are already being paid like nfl players?

the blue jackets fuckin suck

http://data.whicdn.com/images/9331591/tumblr_lgzrscmhLQ1qza0fjo1_500_thumb.jpg?1304199702 winner!

if our football program is going to be dirty, i'd prefer them cheating to be good than protecting a [expletive] pedophile. the AD should be suspended; instead the shitty president just issued a weak statement about the troubling allegations and giving the AD his "unconditional support." well maybe if the AD protected a sexual predator by looking the other way, he shouldn't have your unconditional support. side note, i hope that this doesn't bring down the charity that sandusky founded, because it's done a lot of positive things for at risk youths. (and yes, it probably has done a very negative thing for a small handful of at risk youths)