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and here i complimented you yesterday :(

i understand that, but i'm waiting to find out what he thought was happening. maybe he thought the whole thing was being handled appropriately by the administration. maybe he was hoping it would be covered up. maybe he was instructed by the AD or a lawyer not to follow up. maybe he closed his eyes and put his fingers in his ears because he didn't want to believe it was happening. there are a lot of "maybes" and until there are some answers, i'm going with the guy's 60 year body of work at the university.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joe-paternos-firing-penn-state-attorney-general-concern/story?id=14925158#.TrxP1XL6NnB

i didn't mean an investigation in a legal sense, but the one that the trustees promised on tuesday. an internal investigation to determine who knew what and who expected what when they made certain actions (i.e., what did paterno believe happened after he turned over the info to curley and schultz? same question for mcqueary) i disagree with posnanski's assertion that paterno needed to go immediately, but a lot of people i respect agree with me on that, so maybe i'm wrong. though it's nice to read the pennsylvania attorney general questioning why a cooperating prosecutor's witness has been fired while a guy who's been indicted for perjury is still employed by the school. i still feel that there is a lot of 20/20 hindsight going on, and that the rule about reporting incidents to your superiors in the chain of command is there for a reason - to protect the witness, the accused, and the accuser. anyway, i think what it might come down to is that i'm possibly a bigger fan of paterno and what he represented than i am of psu football, so i didn't like to see him become the focus of a firestorm where he was only one of many players. and i feel the same way that posnanski feels, that paterno was a good person who has done many good things, and that's how i hope he'll be remembered. i hope that the evidence which comes out was that he was foolish in not following up, but not that he was willfully or maliciously ignorant in an attempt to protect himself, psu football and a former co-worker/friend. and i hope people wise up and understand that defending a person i/we perceive as honorable and decent is not the same as supporting sexual abuse of children and those who enable it.

sorry wade, i didn't mean for most of that to be directed at you. i just lumped some other stuff i was going to post into a response to your post.

i don't think he has any information, and i don't think people have information that paterno knew about the 1998 investigation, or information about what he thought after he passed along the incident to curley and schultz. the impression i got was that he thought there should have been a proper investigation of what paterno knew or didn't know, not that he was saying paterno was innocent and should've been able to coach forever.

One of my favorite writers. I have a hard time seeing his side, but like you say, he's right in the middle of Penn State right now and like others he doesn't seem willing to put much on Paterno. i know this is the common thread, that everyone in state college is blinded to things that everyone else can see, but there's another side to it - maybe people who are connected to him and to the program know more. if you really respect posnanski then maybe at least take a minute to try to understand his perspective rather than just writing it off as "whelp he's under the joepa spell too." i was overzealous in my defense of paterno initially, but i still think that someone who has done 60 years of good deeds for a university deserves a proper investigation. if people want to say "he's the face of the program and the most important guy in town; if you're going to be the face of the program when things are going well then you have to be the same when things go bad," that's fine. but the "he enables child rapists and anyone who defends him whatsoever is also a child rapist enabler" attitude, i'm disappointed to see that from people i thought were better than that. (in before "i thought you were better than to enable child rape")

ok now you're just [expletive] with us

this is the least shocking news in history. he's a pitt guy from the days when psu and pitt had a rivalry. he's always hated psu and is probably the happiest guy in america about these developments.

i should keep a running tally of how many times i'm accused of being a child molester or an enabler. anyway, no can do. maybe download ad blocker plus?

I do find it quite fitting that the thread about a pedophile and the numerous people who failed to expose his horrible acts is titled "Joe Paterno" Should I change it to "Truffle defends Joe Paterno?" well i don't have nearly as many posts in that thread as many other people, so probably not. my point was that just like the media coverage, this ceased to be about the child molester, the people in the administration and the victims and became a referendum about joe paterno within about 5 minutes of the grand jury report coming out. anyway, what's done is done. hopefully they move forward by losing consistently for the next five years so they become better known as a football laughingstock than as a place that protects pedophiles.

I do find it quite fitting that the thread about a pedophile and the numerous people who failed to expose his horrible acts is titled "Joe Paterno"

rob neyer tweeted that he watched the late edition of sportscenter and they went the full hour without mentioning this. a major league baseball player was kidnapped and it didn't make the cut. what a worthless network.

lol i guess it's fitting that in a situation where numerous people did the wrong thing, this ends with the board of trustees doing the wrong thing (having paterno call a phone number to be told that he's fired; giving no notice to the local police)

was he planning on interviewing paterno? because he'd better do it soon; joe will probably die within the month.

someone needs to photoshop a bunch of ROTC kids tearing down the joepa statue, saddam-style.

Haha, I think if I've proven anything posting here it's that I'm definitely not intelligent enough to go to Notre Dame. :twisted: still, sorry to hit you with the shrapnel buddy.

our local ESPN radio guys totally crucify the ESPN talking heads for nights like this, where none of them want to express their opinions. Everyone on ESPN sits on the fence until public opinion has been established i had to laugh at all the articles (on sports sites and news sites the last few days) where the template was like this: oh wow, you're being so shocking and controversial for saying the same thing that every journalist on every website is saying!

thanks yoda

another hilarious consequence of this - those lackey students getting like $7/hour to call up alumni and ask for money. they're going to be severely underpaid given the string of expletives that they'll hear from many people on the other end of the phone.

like half the team has been on twitter protesting the firing. saturday is going to be hilarious, they'll lose by 50.

the reason i asked theo which school he actually attended was because from his posts, i assumed he wasn't bright enough to get into notre dame. turns out i was right.

who was at the press conference, a bunch of students and that's it?

you'll probably find your nsbb experience will be enhanced by not reading goony's posts any more.

Would you not go? Do the football players not deserve some support? i don't care, the program and school don't deserve the support. i hope they lose every game the rest of the year by 100 points (which very well may happen.) still employed by psu: -tim curley -mike mcqueary