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  • Jed Hoyer is Not Getting Fired Before David Ross, Period


    Matt Trueblood

    Most Cubs fans agree that the early stages of this season have been disappointing. Increasingly, there have been calls for changes in baseball leadership for the team. Those aren't out of line, but we need to clarify a couple of things.

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    A couple of weeks ago, after another close and winnable game slipped away for the Cubs against the Cardinals at Wrigley Field, I wrote a column saying that David Ross will not be able to get the team back over the hump and into contention. Many people responded to that piece by saying that the fault for the team's poor start really lies with Jed Hoyer, and that he should be the one on the hot seat, instead. In fact, that's been a theme on Cubs Twitter: that the talent deficit with which he's worked makes it too hard to evaluate Ross, and that the front office should be held accountable instead.

    Before we go any further, let me reiterate one thing I said in the original piece about Ross: I'm not calling for him to be fired immediately. A small but growing number of fans is saying that, but not me. Timing a decision like that, in my opinion, requires more information than any of us who do not have close and regular contact with the organization can credibly claim to have. What I do want to make clear, though, is that the idea of Hoyer (or, extra laughably, Carter Hawkins) being fired before Ross is a fantasy, and not even an especially well-plotted one.

    The Cubs hired David Ross as the successor to Joe Maddon, after the 2019 season. Jed Hoyer didn't step up to the top baseball executive job until Theo Epstein departed, after the 2020 campaign. While he was certainly in the room and a valued minority partner to Epstein, Hoyer essentially inherited Ross. He had to navigate ownership limitations on spending that made short-term contention almost impossible, and he had to turn over several key roles in the front office, but he didn't enjoy the privilege of doing all that with a clean slate.

    For all of those reasons, and more, Hoyer and Hawkins will get to fire Ross and hire another manager, before the ownership group seriously considers firing them and shopping for a new front office. That's just the way it is, and Cubs fans should be glad of that. In the rare cases when that hasn't been true (most notably, with the Angels, dating all the way back to Mike Scioscia's time there), it's created a mess and a lack of direction for the franchises involved.

    The 2023 Cubs continue to tantalize us. They look good enough to contend for the largely unguarded crown of the NL Central, and the likely claimants to the Wild Card berths in the senior circuit haven't exactly run away with things. It might be that they need to make a change, so as not to waste and miss the opportunity before them, If they do so, though, or even if they make a change in leadership this coming fall, it will be Ross who gets the axe. There's little point in arguing about that. When the issue of Ross's job security comes up, changing the focus to Hoyer instead is a needless distraction.

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    Not to mention the fact that the Ricketts love Hoyer. It could be him toeing the company line, but he echoes all the thing’s Tommy Boy says about winning baseball. 
     
    And I believe Hoyer loves Ross. I can’t see him firing Ross until he absolutely has to do it. 

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    No one’s getting fired but I’m looking at this as the NFLization is nearing completion. What an evolution once complete! To go from the franchise known for wait ‘til next year to two full rebuilds in a decade to you’re fired in May in a season the expectation (as usual from fans and media) is more losing. That sounds like the Jets when I want to be Steelers or Ravens if the sport really must take this leap 

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    Just now, TomtheBombadil said:

    No one’s getting fired but I’m looking at this as the NFLization is nearing completion. What an evolution once complete! To go from the franchise known for wait ‘til next year to two full rebuilds in a decade to you’re fired in May in a season the expectation (as usual from fans and media) is more losing. That sounds like the Jets when I want to be Steelers or Ravens if the sport really must take this leap 

    What the hell are you talking about? Getting fired in the middle of your 4th consecutive lackluster season is hardly unique to any sport. 

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    41 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

    What the hell are you talking about? Getting fired in the middle of your 4th consecutive lackluster season is hardly unique to any sport. 

    4th for Ross?! Maybe I’m just not paying much attention 

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    7 hours ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    4th for Ross?! Maybe I’m just not paying much attention 

    Yeah, man. Maddon was fired after 2019. Ross took over in 2020, and yes, they won the division in that first year, but they ran out of steam before the end even then, and that was a 60-game season. I’d call this a fourth straight year of not meeting what should be a realistic standard of competition and credibility, even if actual winning was a bit of a reach in two of those.

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    I don't really care if they fire Ross or not.  Managers barely matter.  If they're not Dusty Bakering the pitching staff, they aren't hurting anything.

    Firing the team-runner is a much bigger deal.

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    On 5/27/2023 at 10:19 AM, CubinNY said:

    Not to mention the fact that the Ricketts love Hoyer. It could be him toeing the company line, but he echoes all the thing’s Tommy Boy says about winning baseball. 
     
    And I believe Hoyer loves Ross. I can’t see him firing Ross until he absolutely has to do it. 

    He needs to fire him before he destroys any chance of winning this year. Central is weak and Ross couldnt manage a McDonald's let alone our bullpen. If you need examples look at Leiters appearance today. Gives up tieing HR but lets him start the next inning where he continues to struggle only for him to give up another one the next inning. It's almost like he doesnt want to win games. 

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    On 5/27/2023 at 10:19 AM, CubinNY said:

    Not to mention the fact that the Ricketts love Hoyer. It could be him toeing the company line, but he echoes all the thing’s Tommy Boy says about winning baseball. 
     
    And I believe Hoyer loves Ross. I can’t see him firing Ross until he absolutely has to do it. 

    Also forgetting we have a GM, Carter Hawkins. Hawkins ain't said anything in a long time and when he did it was something about intelligent spending then he signed Taillon. Go figure

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    54 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

    Half the time Ross gets blasted for pulling guys too early, have the time for pulling guys too late. There's no good way to manage a bad bullpen.

    Six of one halve dozen of another 

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    On 5/31/2023 at 3:32 PM, CubsMicah said:

    Also forgetting we have a GM, Carter Hawkins. Hawkins ain't said anything in a long time and when he did it was something about intelligent spending then he signed Taillon. Go figure

    Hawkins has no juice. He's not really a real GM. He's more like the head scout and in charge of player development. 

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    On 6/5/2023 at 6:31 AM, CubinNY said:

    Hawkins has no juice. He's not really a real GM. He's more like the head scout and in charge of player development. 

    It's kinda nice that 10 years later we're still going with the fake job titles we made up to help Theo get out of his Boston contract.

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