8/12 Other Games

[Magnetic Curses]

wait, why do we care about the la-philly game again?

 

Well, since the Cubs aren't going to win the division, gotta keep an eye out on the Wild Card race.

 

you're a little late on that one.

[David]

wait, why do we care about the la-philly game again?

 

Well, since the Cubs aren't going to win the division, gotta keep an eye out on the Wild Card race.

 

you're a little late on that one.

 

he took a different approach, though...

[Magnetic Curses]

jeez just let him have CC, dude has been dominant

 

and he called me ridiculous.

 

i've never been an optimist, but at least i'm not a meatball.

[Magnetic Curses]

wait, why do we care about the la-philly game again?

 

Well, since the Cubs aren't going to win the division, gotta keep an eye out on the Wild Card race.

 

you're a little late on that one.

 

he took a different approach, though...

 

yeah, but his name is chuckywang.

[chuckywang]

wait, why do we care about the la-philly game again?

 

Well, since the Cubs aren't going to win the division, gotta keep an eye out on the Wild Card race.

 

you're a little late on that one.

 

he took a different approach, though...

 

yeah, but his name is chuckywang.

 

You got a problem with that?

[Magnetic Curses]

wait, why do we care about the la-philly game again?

 

Well, since the Cubs aren't going to win the division, gotta keep an eye out on the Wild Card race.

 

you're a little late on that one.

 

he took a different approach, though...

 

yeah, but his name is chuckywang.

 

You got a problem with that?

 

no, not at all.

[17 Seconds]

wait, why do we care about the la-philly game again?

 

We don't want the Cubs to win the division and play Arizona.

 

We're winning the wild card and will be facing Philly, anyway.

 

Sulley's got me convinced.

 

Well, yeah. They've got Sheets and Sabathia and those are 2 automatic wins every 5 days!

 

well, sabathia is automatic, at least.

 

Except for when he faces a decent offense.

 

he shut out st. louis and had a quality start aginst us and colorado, all decent offenses.

 

I know. So in his 3 starts against decent offenses, he was great, mediocre, and bad. Not exactly "automatic".

[17 Seconds]

jeez just let him have CC, dude has been dominant

 

and he called me ridiculous.

 

i've never been an optimist, but at least i'm not a meatball.

 

I called you ridiculous for acting as though the Cubs are just kidding themselves and are just waiting to be overtaken by the godly Brewers. Why am I a meatball?

 

And did I say C.C. hasn't been dominant? Nope, I sure didn't. You called him automatic (which was clearly innaccurate) and I pointed out that he's had the advantage of facing some terrible offenses lately. In his 3 starts against good offenses (which, again, is was what I was talking about) he has been good in one and very shaky in the other two. Not automatic.

[Magnetic Curses]

wait, why do we care about the la-philly game again?

 

We don't want the Cubs to win the division and play Arizona.

 

We're winning the wild card and will be facing Philly, anyway.

 

Sulley's got me convinced.

 

Well, yeah. They've got Sheets and Sabathia and those are 2 automatic wins every 5 days!

 

well, sabathia is automatic, at least.

 

Except for when he faces a decent offense.

 

he shut out st. louis and had a quality start aginst us and colorado, all decent offenses.

 

I know. So in his 3 starts against decent offenses, he was great, mediocre, and bad. Not exactly "automatic".

 

how was he bad in any of those starts? he wasn't even mediocre.

 

you're being silly.

[Magnetic Curses]

jeez just let him have CC, dude has been dominant

 

and he called me ridiculous.

 

i've never been an optimist, but at least i'm not a meatball.

 

I called you ridiculous for acting as though the Cubs are just kidding themselves and are just waiting to be overtaken by the godly Brewers. Why am I a meatball?

 

And did I say C.C. hasn't been dominant? Nope, I sure didn't. You called him automatic (which was clearly innaccurate) and I pointed out that he's had the advantage of facing some terrible offenses lately. In his 3 starts against good offenses (which, again, is was what I was talking about) he has been good in one and very shaky in the other two. Not automatic.

 

first, we haven't had a 9-inning shutout all season from a starter, good is an understatement. second, see above. he gave up 2 runs on 5 hits in 6 innings. mediocre? against our offense he allowed 3 runs in 6.2, bad? hardly.

 

that's just stupid.

Edited August 13, 2008 by Stannis

[David]

His start against the Cubs was pretty bad, any way you look at the numbers...

[David]

jeez just let him have CC, dude has been dominant

 

and he called me ridiculous.

 

i've never been an optimist, but at least i'm not a meatball.

 

I called you ridiculous for acting as though the Cubs are just kidding themselves and are just waiting to be overtaken by the godly Brewers. Why am I a meatball?

 

And did I say C.C. hasn't been dominant? Nope, I sure didn't. You called him automatic (which was clearly innaccurate) and I pointed out that he's had the advantage of facing some terrible offenses lately. In his 3 starts against good offenses (which, again, is was what I was talking about) he has been good in one and very shaky in the other two. Not automatic.

 

first, we haven't had a 9-inning shutout all season from a starter. second, see above.

 

Do they give extra points for those?

[David]

His start against the Cubs was pretty bad, any way you look at the numbers...

 

You could say it was mediocre based on the ERs, but he was pretty much walking a tight rope all game... lots of baserunners

[David]

I don't see what other start dexter could be calling anything less than very good, though.

 

I guess the first one, vs. Colorado, could be considered mediocre.

[Magnetic Curses]

jeez just let him have CC, dude has been dominant

 

and he called me ridiculous.

 

i've never been an optimist, but at least i'm not a meatball.

 

I called you ridiculous for acting as though the Cubs are just kidding themselves and are just waiting to be overtaken by the godly Brewers. Why am I a meatball?

 

And did I say C.C. hasn't been dominant? Nope, I sure didn't. You called him automatic (which was clearly innaccurate) and I pointed out that he's had the advantage of facing some terrible offenses lately. In his 3 starts against good offenses (which, again, is was what I was talking about) he has been good in one and very shaky in the other two. Not automatic.

 

first, we haven't had a 9-inning shutout all season from a starter. second, see above.

 

Do they give extra points for those?

 

like i said, calling it simply "good" is being intellectually dishonest for the sake of argument.

[Magnetic Curses]

His start against the Cubs was pretty bad, any way you look at the numbers...

 

You could say it was mediocre based on the ERs, but he was pretty much walking a tight rope all game... lots of baserunners

 

yeah, but he was pitching against our legendary offense, right? wait, aren't we adjusting for team skill-level, here or what?

[David]

Either it's an automatic win, or it's not, right?

[Magnetic Curses]

Either it's an automatic win, or it's not, right?

 

now, are we getting back to rhetoric or did you want to talk about the weather?

[Magnetic Curses]

well, he's been automatic in the fact that he hasn't given up more than 3 runs in any of his brewer starts and has 2 complete game shutouts, something that we haven't done all year. so yeah, he's been more automatic than any of our aces, i guess.

[Magnetic Curses]

wait, but did you say he's been "dominant" or were you just making chit-chat?

[David]

I said he has. I still had to argue with the notion that he hasn't had any bad starts, though. The start against the Cubs wasn't even mediocre, IMO.

 

I'd take a tightrope act like that from Marquis happily, though.

[Magnetic Curses]

I said he has. I still had to argue with the notion that he hasn't had any bad starts, though. The start against the Cubs wasn't even mediocre, IMO.

 

I'd take a tightrope act like that from Marquis happily, though.

 

but again, facing a legendary offense it was pretty good.

[17 Seconds]

jeez just let him have CC, dude has been dominant

 

and he called me ridiculous.

 

i've never been an optimist, but at least i'm not a meatball.

 

I called you ridiculous for acting as though the Cubs are just kidding themselves and are just waiting to be overtaken by the godly Brewers. Why am I a meatball?

 

And did I say C.C. hasn't been dominant? Nope, I sure didn't. You called him automatic (which was clearly innaccurate) and I pointed out that he's had the advantage of facing some terrible offenses lately. In his 3 starts against good offenses (which, again, is was what I was talking about) he has been good in one and very shaky in the other two. Not automatic.

 

first, we haven't had a 9-inning shutout all season from a starter, good is an understatement. second, see above. he gave up 2 runs on 5 hits in 6 innings. mediocre? against our offense he allowed 3 runs in 6.2, bad? hardly.

 

that's just stupid.

 

Wait, what does the CUbs not having a shutout all season have to do with this discussion? You're taking everything I said out of context and now calling me names because I'm contesting your innacuracies.

 

You said that he is automatic.

 

I said that he has only been automatic against bad offenses (note that I never said he has been terrible against good offense).

 

Yes, 6.2 innings and 3 runs is good (thought not "automatic"), and 6 innings 2 runs is good (again, not "automatic") but that doesn't tell the whole story. In his start against the Cubs he allowed 11 baserunners. That's "automatic"? In the start against Colorado, he allowed 10 baseunners in 6 innings. That's "automatic"?.

 

The fact is, the only time he's been great against a good offense was in St Louis. The rest of his dominant performances have come against some brutal offensive teams.

 

So yeah, he's automatic....if he's facing a crappy team or if you call 11 baserunners in 6 innings "automatic".

 

Sabathia is great. He's nowhere near automatic. You can keep calling me names if it makes you feel like you're more correct though.

Edited August 13, 2008 by 17 Seconds

[David]

you should take the things sulley says as tongue in cheek and not take "meatball" as a personal attack.

 

with that said, i can't go on with this.. gotta go to sleep...

 

see you guys in tomorrow's game thread or something.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Sabathias good, but hes no more automatic than Zambrano, Webb, Cliff Lee, or Halladay. The difference is that Sabathia has recently entered a league with limited experience against him, and most teams havnt figured him out. However, aside from the Cubs and Cardinalshes faced a bunch of sub .500ers. Basically, as the cliche gos, The Brewers are beating the teams they need to beat, and they've faced a lot of them lately. We still have games with the likes of the Pirates, Astros(now with 100% less Carlos Lee) and The Reds, minus 2 of the top Cub Killers ever. Oh yeah, and that AA team from Washington. The Cubs and Brewers are the NLs best, and I cant imagine both not making the post season.