Runs vs. Runs Created

[cl smooth]

this sounds like a silly question, but what is the difference between runs and runs created? i know a run is where the player himself crosses the plate, but what exactly is runs created?

[erik316wttn]

this sounds like a silly question, but what is the difference between runs and runs created? i know a run is where the player himself crosses the plate, but what exactly is runs created?

 

Runs + RBI- HR I think.

[Lefty]

this sounds like a silly question, but what is the difference between runs and runs created? i know a run is where the player himself crosses the plate, but what exactly is runs created?

 

What most people mean by 'Runs Created' is the amount of runs resulting from the sum of a player's offensive contributions. Thus the situational biases of runs scored (for leadoff men) and RBI (for cleanup hitters) is eliminated.

 

There are several complex mathematical formulas out there. For a quick and dirty measurement use OBP X SLG X AB. For great offensive players it's a little high, but you'll get the idea.

[cl smooth]

What most people mean by 'Runs Created' is the amount of runs resulting from the sum of a player's offensive contributions. Thus the situational biases of runs scored (for leadoff men) and RBI (for cleanup hitters) is eliminated.

 

There are several complex mathematical formulas out there. For a quick and dirty measurement use OBP X SLG X AB. For great offensive players it's a little high, but you'll get the idea.

 

thanks for the equation. is there a number for runs created that shows that player X is above/below the league average in that department? like how an OBP of .350 is the benchmark (usually) for a good player who gets on base, for example...is there something like that for runs created?

 

you mentioned situational biases for runs scored and RBI...which is better to compare if player A is more of a run-scoring threat than player B? i was thinking about setting up a lineup and, correct me if i'm wrong, one would think that a player with a high run total (100+) should be near the top of the lineup (preferably batting in the 1 or 2 hole) so that the power hitters in the 3, 4 and 5 hole could drive him in. i hope i make sense. :)

[Derwood]

this sounds like a silly question, but what is the difference between runs and runs created? i know a run is where the player himself crosses the plate, but what exactly is runs created?

 

What most people mean by 'Runs Created' is the amount of runs resulting from the sum of a player's offensive contributions. Thus the situational biases of runs scored (for leadoff men) and RBI (for cleanup hitters) is eliminated.

 

There are several complex mathematical formulas out there. For a quick and dirty measurement use OBP X SLG X AB. For great offensive players it's a little high, but you'll get the idea.

 

THANK YOU! I've been running sim leagues online for 8 years and I've never known what our software's RC formula was. It clearly wasn't the R+RBI-HR one. You made my day!

[Productive Outs]

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/

 

a bunch of stats are explained there. it doens't have any of the BP stats (for obvious reasons), but it's still a great site.

[Lefty]

What most people mean by 'Runs Created' is the amount of runs resulting from the sum of a player's offensive contributions. Thus the situational biases of runs scored (for leadoff men) and RBI (for cleanup hitters) is eliminated.

 

There are several complex mathematical formulas out there. For a quick and dirty measurement use OBP X SLG X AB. For great offensive players it's a little high, but you'll get the idea.

 

thanks for the equation. is there a number for runs created that shows that player X is above/below the league average in that department? like how an OBP of .350 is the benchmark (usually) for a good player who gets on base, for example...is there something like that for runs created?

 

you mentioned situational biases for runs scored and RBI...which is better to compare if player A is more of a run-scoring threat than player B? i was thinking about setting up a lineup and, correct me if i'm wrong, one would think that a player with a high run total (100+) should be near the top of the lineup (preferably batting in the 1 or 2 hole) so that the power hitters in the 3, 4 and 5 hole could drive him in. i hope i make sense. :)

 

The beauty of a Runs Created Stat is that it is mostly situationally independent. So its product can be used to compare very different players.

 

Last year Jaun Pierre created about 90 runs and made 532 outs (AB-H+CS+GIDP+SH+SF). So if you figure it like an ERA, Pierre created about 4.6 runs for every 27 outs. Since Earned Runs are about 90% of runs scored, Pierre produced like an NL pitcher with a 4.15 ERA.

 

I am working on something else here, but if you go online and use some of the more advanced formulas and figure the outs made by the various hitters, you will have all you need to compare players. Of course then you have to figure in park effects. Enjoy!