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So you make an offer. If it isn't accepted, you say "I still have interest, so if you ever figure out what you're going to do, give me a call." You don't leave the offer on the table. To me that's the same as leaving the offer on the table. You're saying I'm not bidding against myself, and if I find a different second baseman or trade the same pieces I was offering for Roberts to somebody else then it's clear the deal is no longer on the table. But if I'm still looking and you change your mind, give me a call. I have no doubt that if someone had come along and offered Hendry a better deal on a leadoff/second baseman (his emphasis, not mine) he would have been happy to take it and thumb his nose at the O's.
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Okay, next time you want to buy a house, put an offer down and let them sit on it as long as possible. It has nothing to do with manning up. It has everything to do with not being a fool in negotiations. If you are the only viable buyer it can be a good strategy. Here's my offer, I'm in no hurry, if you find a better offer take it and good luck to you, but I'm not bidding against myself. At that point whether you say the offer is on or off the table is irrelevant. Sometimes the other party needs more time to realize there's not going to be a better offer. A couple days, maybe a week, sure. 3 months? Suppose you put that offer down on a house with a 2 day ultimatum and the seller doesn't accept it. You move on and continue looking, but can't make a deal on anything you like. Now suppose 3 months later the sellers' agent calls and says the seller has reconsidered and wants to make a deal around your original offer. You've since spent 3 months looking without success for a better deal. Do you reject the deal because it has passed your artificial deadline? Edit; posted before seeing CubinNY's eerily similar response.
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Okay, next time you want to buy a house, put an offer down and let them sit on it as long as possible. It has nothing to do with manning up. It has everything to do with not being a fool in negotiations. If you are the only viable buyer it can be a good strategy. Here's my offer, I'm in no hurry, if you find a better offer take it and good luck to you, but I'm not bidding against myself. At that point whether you say the offer is on or off the table is irrelevant. Sometimes the other party needs more time to realize there's not going to be a better offer.
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Why dont you tell everyone how you really feel , Jose?
UBlink replied to PrimeTime's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
It's Jose Canseco. Did you expect Nabokov? Vance has got some talented eighth graders. -
Everyone puts up huge numbers in the PCL. Big deal. Look at PCL stats from 2007, sort by OPS, and count the number of Shortstops ranked above Cedeno. Link No offense, but so what? Did you some of the other names on that list? Joey Gathright kicked butt in the PCL last season. AAA is not a prospect league anymore. Its a dumping ground for AAAA players. Again, the response was not to an argument that PCL is a dumping ground, the response was to a claim that "everyone puts up huge numbers in the PCL." I merely wanted to put in perspective that Cedeno's numbers were huger than any other shortstop in the PCL.
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Everyone puts up huge numbers in the PCL. Big deal. Look at PCL stats from 2007, sort by OPS, and count the number of Shortstops ranked above Cedeno. Link Go here, and look at what Ronny Cedeno has done against major league pitching: http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cedenro02.shtml I was responding to the bolded comment above that makes no mention of performance against major league pitching.
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Everyone puts up huge numbers in the PCL. Big deal. Look at PCL stats from 2007, sort by OPS, and count the number of Shortstops ranked above Cedeno. Link
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We're already at page 294 - there were only 180 episodes of Seinfeld. Nobody knows more about nothing than NSBB.
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It would be easier to lock this thread than to truly close off the trade possibility. Regardless of what Hendry says, if the O's come back with a proposal that makes sense for the Cubs he'll do the deal.
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The problem with this issue is not that the negotiations have been going on for a long time. Sometimes that's the nature of negotiations. The problem is that the negotiations have been semi-public. Leaked information without outright denials by the negotiating parties is what has created the distractions. Hendry should have just lied and said "we have no interest in Roberts" until he had a deal ready to announce. If a deal that is good for the Cubs eventually came out, nobody is going to remember or care about the denials. There is a place for transparency, but trade negotiations is not it. It has been 290 pages of fun distraction for us, but it has done nothing to advance the deal for either side.
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It takes 2 parties, both of whom think they are getting a good deal, to make a trade. I'm not sure how guts enters into that.
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I think we really do need Roberts on the Cubs, then, since maybe he (spring traning OBP=.405) can teach the rest of the Cubs how to deal with distractions. Or when he comes to the Cubs will he also fall victim to distractionitis? I'm not really sure what you're trying to say here. If Roberts were traded, the distraction would be gone. I'm not syaing it's a huge deal or anything, but I think the players would like to definitively know who their teammates will be on opening day. My point was that Roberts has demonstrated during this spring training that he is not distracted by the trade talk. If he does come to the Cubs, maybe he can teach his new teammates how to cope with distraction. On the other hand, maybe being easily distracted from doing your job is something peculiar to the Cubs and once he joins the Cubs he also will become susceptible to distractionitis.
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I think we really do need Roberts on the Cubs, then, since maybe he (spring traning OBP=.405) can teach the rest of the Cubs how to deal with distractions. Or when he comes to the Cubs will he also fall victim to distractionitis?
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What's the advantage to walking away versus leaving his offer on the table. Or, alternatively, suppose Hendry does walk away and 2 weeks or 2 months from now the O's call up and say we'll take it. Assuming nothing significant has changed (Roberts hasn't broken a leg or one of the Cubs pieces is looking like ROY) is Hendry supposed to say sorry, you had your chance, I know it's a good deal for the Cubs but you missed your chance?
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I think I know, but I hope certain employers of message board posters don't find out. :wink:
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How is that stronger than "you know what I'm willing to offer, call me back when you're ready to deal"?
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Soriano to bat 2nd, Fukudome 5th on Friday
UBlink replied to Schwarber Fan's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
While by no means agreeing with the statement, I read it as assuming both Theriot and Soriano are in the lineup, the team would be better off if Theriot hit leadoff. Obviously it would be better if we gave Soriano 2 outs and never let Theriot near a bat but that's not an option. Personally I would still hit Theriot 8th or 9th, but in context the statement isn't as ridiculous as saying on an absolute basis Theriot is better than Soriano as any type of hitter. -
It's clearly not distracting Roberts, so who is it distracting?
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And not that I see that as problematic, but can't guys who have been reassigned to the minor league camp still appear in the "A" games? Doesn't it just mean that they've officially been eliminated from any shot at the final 25-man roster? It's not unusual for guys from the minor league camp to appear in MLB games, especially when they're playing split squads.
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Does Craig have a shot at making the bigs because if he doesn't, I'm putting Fox there for 50 or so games. From consensus projections at BCB Craig is projected at 329/421/750 while Fox is 314/429/743. Basically a push. And from The Baseball Cube Jake Fox has exactly 1 game at 3B in his minor league career. This sounds like it makes as much sense as the year they sent Craig back to Daytona to learn catcher.
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As long as more than one team is interested in him it doesn't matter what he's worth to the Cubs.
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I seriously considered not posting in this thread. Believe me, I really did seriously consider it.
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So we're going to start with a switch hitter, a lefty, and then 5 righties in a row? Or do you want to put Felix in the 6 spot?
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Some might say the biggest advantage of having Roberts in the lineup is about 100 fewer plate appearances for Theriot (batting 8th instead of 2nd).
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Huh? What does this even mean? The way it's phrased, it seems like it's intended as an insult, but U of I is a very good school, so I don't really get it. I went to U of I, but I hate that school right now. Everyone there is so cocky, teachers and students. Their acceptance procedures are off the wall, and most likely just pick names out of a hat. So I'm just pissed at U of I right now and thats why I had to insult the school. Someone I know got rejected with a 29 ACT, 3.9 GPA and involved in every activity, while someone else I know got accepted with a 21 ACT, 3.8 GPA and not very involved. Into the same major as well. My guess would be that your associate probably didn't spend the entire personal interview explaining to the interviewer over and over again that a half windsor knot is the only acceptible knot for a tie. My guess is that the one with lower scores was faster, and speed is more important than things like ACT scores.