Yes, Halladay and Carpenter did need coaching, as any and all young players do to hit their ceiling. He took Halladay 17th overall in the '95 draft and Carpenter with the 15th pick in '93, so he must have seen something, and look where they are now. What does "what he saw in them wasn't what made them great pitchers" even mean? Both were very touted prospects who like many young players didn't come right in and set the baseball world on fire. Big deal. He saw the talent, he picked them in the first, they go on his resume. it means whatever you want it to mean, man. listen, halladay was a piece of junk, he was finished in the league, saying that he "didn't come right in and set the baseball world on fire" is an understatement. he was on his way out of baseball when someone got ahold of him and changed everything about him, everything except his height and youth, maybe. isn't his 2000 season one of the single worst seasons in history? in any respect, he was the worst pitcher in the game at that point. carpenter maybe, i'm not familiar with his story pre-cards except for him being a relatively middling 5th starter. but the book on Halladay was that he could throw hard, but his fastball didn't move, and curveball didn't curve. and he got bombed. we're talking a complete overhaul. afterwards, he had a breaking ball and a moving fastball. colvin is like rios or wells: talented, but bad peripherals that can only predict inconsistency. our organization is bad. we spend more per win than any organization in the league. most of the prospective GMs that are desireable are also very involved with drafting and scouting players, meaning they'll be working very closely with the scouting director. wilken has already essentially been dismissed by one stat-guy, assumingly because he wanted to draft on looks and not substance. ricciardi seems like a pansy compared to beane, friedman, or epstein. if we are lucky enough to get one of those three despite ricketts taking it upon himself to retain fleita and wilken, it will be a miracle, and neither of those guys will be arounf very long.