Jehrico

I'd like to know the nature of what they are doing that other athletes on other teams don't do to justify still being a sports fan but not a Cubs fan.

Very good point...

Or the implication that the Cubs have some players doing that, but there are other teams out there that don't?

whoa...can i ask you to get started then...because i would be quite curious to the reasoning behind this... Sorry don't care to share and there are things that I cannot share. If you don't want to or can't say anything about it, then why hint at it in the first place? Because I was stating an opinion just like everyone else here does but guess I am also not allowed to that any more either? Most people here explain their opinions. Playing coy with "I know something you don't know" stuff is just going to irritate people. Does anyone here really buy that he has inside dirt on not one, not two, but a majority of the Cubs that no one else has? He doesn't know anything that anyone else doesn't know. I'm calling total BS...

whoa...can i ask you to get started then...because i would be quite curious to the reasoning behind this... Sorry don't care to share and there are things that I cannot share. If you don't want to or can't say anything about it, then why hint at it in the first place? Because I was stating an opinion just like everyone else here does but guess I am also not allowed to that any more either? Or do you think that you're allowed to share your opinion but we're not allowed to share our opinion that your post was ignorant?

:roll:Why the hell do you even bother following sports then? :roll: Quite possibly the absolute dumbest post ever recorded in the history of the internet, and that's saying alot. Maybe because I am sports fan? You almost make it sound like because I am not an over the top Cubs fan then I shouldn't even bother to watch. I love how I state an opinion here and get jumped on but I will probably get my hand slapped for even stating this much. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entited to mine. Check my other post about Sampson and IU. Your post went way beyond "you have your opinion and I'm entitled to mine." You totally deserved to be jumped on repeatedly for that one. Your entitled to share your opinion, and the rest of the board is entitled to expose your post as idiotic when you do so. Your post was flagrant elitist ignorant arrogance at best. I don't expect anyone to be an over the top fan of anything. But if you rarely watch a team because you "don't find too many players on this club that I feel have a lot of redeeming qualities as human beings" yet you post on an unofficial message board, then something doesn't add up. You act like you know all of these guys personally, when I bet you know none of them. If you want to rant about the product on the field, that's fine. But you're stepping far beyond the boundary of ignorance with your open comment that on the team as a group of human beings that came completely out of left field. If you rarely watch them, then I would also venture out so far as to guess that you're not qualified to begin with to make any kind of judgement about them. Let me guess, you're basing your opinion of them almost exclusively on message board fodder? Give me a break...

He must be confusing Hudson with Mulder.

:roll:Why the hell do you even bother following sports then? :roll: Quite possibly the absolute dumbest post ever recorded in the history of the internet, and that's saying alot.

If Ben Sheets stays healthy, him and CC should put the Brewers in the playoffs. If he doesn't, and the Cards pick up a reliever at the trade deadline, then I think the Cards will edge them out. That's two big ifs though that St L needs, in my estimation.

Interesting meaningless stat-of-the-day: We went 1-6-1 in our first 8 road series, but we've gone 3-2-2 in our subsequent seven. It'd look a lot better if those two series losses weren't sweeps, but it's still an encouraging sign that we've tied or won 5 of our last 7 road series though. Hopefully we can keep up similar numbers on the road the rest of the year, I'll take it.

He's got a career OPS against us of .651, not good. Regardless, Dusty must be thrilled to have another horse for his future playoff runs. Jay Bruce, say hello to the bench. You'll be riding for about 25 games out of the next 30.

The lie he was supposedly caught in was that he said he didn't knowingly use (one of, I don't recall which) steroids or HGH. right, I know. but the fact is he's never tested positive. it's still an innocent until proven guilty thing. The DA apparently has enough proof that he lied, or he wouldn't be getting indicted. If the DA is right, and he gets proven guilty in a court of law over the claim that he never knowingly used steroids or HGH, then that is worse than a positive test. With a positive test, he can still say he didn't know what he was taking. If he gets found guilty here, that proves he not only did it, but he was 100% aware of what it was he was taking as well. There's still no test for HGH, not testing positive has little bearing in this argument.

:nutkick: I thought there was a good smiley that was appropriate for this, but there wasn't. That's the closest to relevant one I could find.

The lie he was supposedly caught in was that he said he didn't knowingly use (one of, I don't recall which) steroids or HGH.

http://www.sportsline.com/mlb/story/10884693 :shock: Wow. Highly unusual for Oakland to pay this kind of bonus to any prospect, even more so to a 16 year old. Heck, they'll only pay that or higher to a handful of veterans every year. They think this kid is the biggest thing out of Latin America since Felix Hernandez.

It's actually nothing like that at all. If Bonds is playing and he gets caught, he should be punished. He got away with what he did, just like thousands of other players got away with breaking the rules over the years. Except for if no one signs him then he wouldn't get away with it. Why, does it somehow magically go back and erase the last few years he played and the money he made and the records he broke? No, but he may get a chance to ponder those excellent questions in prison sometime in the not-to-distant future. It's too early to say Bonds got away with it, he may end up paying more than anyone since Pete Rose.

I'm shocked that it took over a week for an "LOL @ Dusty" thread to break the second page...

Did any of us really ever root for Manny Alexander? He's talking about Glenallen Hill and his rooftop smash. 8-) We didn't knowingly root for a cheater, and at least Glenallen has admitted his mistakes and apologized for them.

Stat of the Day right there my friend. Correction, make that Stat of the Week!

You do realize there is a difference between cheaters, and guys who seem washed up? I'm sure I have supported users and cheaters before the difference between them and Bonds is I didn't know it at the time they were playing otherwise I would have said give them the boot. With Bonds we know before even signing him has cheated and therefore we shouldn't sign him. I will never ever support one of my teams selling their integrity, credibility and/or soul just win. That's how this whole steroid era got going anyways. Owners wanted to win more than do what is right. Every team has had players that have been on performance enhancing drugs. Hell, it's not really a secret that the coffee pots in many team clubhouses had more than just java in them. Every team knew what was going on and looked the other way. I'm not sure how you can possibly think signing Bonds is any worse than that. And if you truly aren't going to support any of your teams "selling their integrity, credibility and/or soul just win," let me know what a life without competitive sports is like. There's a large difference between a league-wide tolerance that lead to so many people being part of a problem and individual cheaters. With your coffee example specifically, like you said, everyone was doing it. If you don't want to root for one team for such an offense (ignoring the fact that it was unknown at the time), then you can't root for any others. This happened league wide because the commissioners office turned a blind eye for so long, even though it's his primary responsibility above and beyond all others to maintain the integrity of the game. If any teams didn't want to take the blind eye philosophy, they wouldn't have been able to compete in the old days. And it's arguable as to how fair it is to say they were "turning a blind eye" because the league had no rules banning such conduct, so they weren't technically "cheating" (the legal and ethical issues are another argument and not binding to the cheating argument, IMO). Fast forward to today, the commissioners office has finally addressed the issue, so you can be competitive without PEDs. From a fans perspective, anyone using PEDs now is an outright cheater, rather than simply being a part of a league wide problem. I'd rather that cheaters be kept out of the league.

See: Indiana and Kelvin Sampson.

Not really. I don't know any Cubs fans who would rather lose than see the WSox in the playoffs in 2005 or before. I think most Cubs fans dream situation would be to win it all in a cross town series (though we'll take it any way we can get it, of course...). That didn't change one bit after 2005. They had still won more recently than us before 2005 and their team isn't built up as the lovable losers with the whole sports world knowing that we have been losing for a long time. They won back in 1917 before that. I don't think it would have mattered if their last win before 2005 was 1907 or 1917. Most anyone alive back then is dead either way. If they're so delicate that they would rather have their own team lose than have their impression of us as loveable losers be shattered, well, I don't know what to say except that is pathetic. There's nothing that is the least bit rational or logical to sympatize with in that statement. Even if those circumstances were changed around, I still don't know of any Cubs fans that would rather continue our losing just to see the Sox lose too.

Not really. I don't know any Cubs fans who would rather lose than see the WSox in the playoffs in 2005 or before. I think most Cubs fans dream situation would be to win it all in a cross town series (though we'll take it any way we can get it, of course...). That didn't change one bit after 2005.

Here's a winner. Even the Sox owner admits that Sox fans are more interested in seeing the Cubs lose than their own team win. I would choose both teams in the playoffs over neither every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. What really gets me is he's apparently getting this answer from the most intelligent people of the Sox fan base. ](*,) ](*,)

Hahahahahahahahaahahha Dusty's teams always suck at fundamentals.