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You mean last offseason, when BA and MiLB both had him in their Top 10? Only a fool would write him off right now. where did i say i'm writing him off. i'm saying that his value has taken a huge hit over the last year or 2. you can't deny that. he's still a good prospect... just not what he was.

if i had to guess i'd probably say we end up with him, but it sucks that this is likely to drag on for awhile. i'd be really happy if it was settled one way or another by the holidays

This might not really have to do with the winter meetings, but I didn't want to start a separate thread and haven't seen it mentioned anywhere. I've never heard of this site...but it's claiming that ron will get the call tomorrow- http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=2118

look at the link they give in that. they just piggybacked the tiny blurb from the article that was posted earlier.

remember when bailey was supposed to be a really good prospect?

but seriously, judging by the lunacy that has come from cubbiebum in this thread, is there any chance whatsoever that his kid grows up to be normal? i'm being totally serious. kids with parentsl ike him always grow up being really weird. seriously, christmas doesn't have to be about religion... and it usually isn't. kids do not associate christmas with religion unless you force them too. you're seriously delusional if you think that christmas is all about religion these days. actually, society has done a good job of making it not about religion by banning so much stuff. my parents are not even the slightest bit religious but we still celebrate all the holidays. why? because we're normal and my parents are intelligent enough to seperate these things from religion and were not selfish enough to deprive me of perhaps the single greatest thing about childhood. bottom line is that if you deprive your child of christmas because you don't understand what it's about, then you're a really bad parent.

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you'd rather have a low .800's OPS RF with terrible defense (abreu, ibanez) than jake peavy? why did you bring you bring up abreu and ibanez when he said dunn? i thought he was saying he'd rather have dunn or anyone else mentioned than jake peavy. i guess i misread it

you'd rather have a low .800's OPS RF with terrible defense (abreu, ibanez) than jake peavy?

that's what you get when your hair looks like nicolas cage in con air

gus frerotte is the softest player i've ever seen

Don't you remember last year during the Roberts stuff when DeRosa said that he didn't care where he played, as long as he was in the lineup? Anyways, it doesn't really matter. He'll play where he is told to play. I don't understand that logic. Unloading Marquis and adding Winn are 2 completely seperate things. If we unload 6 mil of Marquis then that's done. It does not rely on Winn, so adding Winn would simply be adding 8.25 of payroll space. No, why? I'd rather have Marshall start anyways. Everything that's been written so far this offseason has said that the Cubs will be trying to dump Marquis no matter what, even if Peavy is no longer an option. The point of eating like 4 mil of his salary is so we don't have to take anything back. I don't get why you keep saying this. Winn and Peavy have NOTHING to do with each other. N-o-t-h-i-n-g. If anything, it would hurt it since that's 8.25 mil of cap space wasted on a player that is not very good. Seriously, Winn is not an adequate nothing. He's a sub .800 OPS guy, come on. He is not an upgrade to what we have. He is a waste of money, plain and simple. I just don't understand why you're acting like we HAVE to add one of these overpaid right fielders, and I don't understand why you think Peavy has anything to do with Winn.

I'm sure there will be times when I need to but Santa is one I need to do. I knew from an early age that he was real and when people would say that he was at school (teachers and the such) I would say no he isn't and I would get in trouble for it. EXCUSE ME! I'm getting in trouble because I know the teacher is lying? That is bull----. Teachers shouldn't be talking about Santa and saying he is real anyways. That is not there place. you're definitely going to be a terrible parent. right away you want to make your child an outcast. seriously, i have never heard of a kid growing up and having issues because his parents lied and told him there was a santa claus. i'm not a christian but i'll still let my kids enjoy one of the best things aobut childhood. anyways, is christmas really even correlated to christianity these days? it's all about family/friends, cool lights/decorations, and getting free stuff. kids don't care about where christmas actually originated, they care about having fun and looking forward to it every year. you need to be smart enough to realize that the holidays don't have to be about religion.

i can't let this slide anymore dude. what the hell is up with your sig?

this team is actually having trouble with the washington wizards... at home the washington wizards. at home.

good thing there are no shootouts in the playoffs

this team is full of chokers right now, which doesn't bode well for the playoffs. they're still not close to being a true stanley cup contender, especially with the nightmarish goalie situation.

oh look... another soft ass goal allowed by huet. seriously, get thisj oker out of the net

this is awesome

Actually in that thread most of GRB's best posters defended you. Look what it got me. I wonder how that conversation would go today... after Pie's first PCL run was a lot better than Rasmus' The same, if not worse. .283/.341/.451/.792 .251/.346/.396/.742

do what you want, it's just odd that you had the same reaction to both goals. the first one only a handful of players in the league are capable of making, the second could have been scored by any talented forward in that spot. the Wings played it terribly he was excited that they scored for the 3rd straight time...he wasn't excited about the skill level of the goal

Who is ready to hear all about Tim Tebow for the next month? I know I am!

So who do we want to waste money on? I don't know of any options that wouldn't equate to wasting money except to stand pat or promote from within. Lou & JH seem intent on not using Hoff or Font or any other current Cub in RF. Seems to me we will waste money on somebody. Like I said, please tell me if you've heard any other names mentioned or have any other ideas. And if we want Peavy, we absolutely have to move Marquis. No way around it. Moving him will mean taking on somebody else's contract because of the economy. The only place to take on a contract is RF or the pen. If we trade Marquis for a reliever, we still can't get Peavy because we still have to sign 1 of these bottom-of-the-barrell FA RF's. What it all comes down to is that if we want Peavy, we will have to settle for a less than spectacular RF via trade. Do you want Teahen? I don't. What other RF are available via trade? I threw Winn out there because he is in his last year of contract and SF isn't gonna go anywhere with him in RF. WE, on the other hand, COULD win with him because the rest of our team is pretty darn good, especially if we have a rotation of Peavy, Demp, Z, Harden & Lilly and a CF of Dome and Reed (& possibly Pie) to make up for the defense of Soriano & Winn. I want Peavy. I have no idea who I would realistically want, because there is no way of me knowing who is avilable. I'm not a GM and I can't talk to other GMs. All I know if that Winn is a lateral move and is not really an upgrade over what we have. Like I said, I'd rather see what Fontenot could do over a full season and put DeRosa in right than pay Winn 8.5 million to put up a .780 OPS. Also, I don't really see what Peavy has to do with this. Winn makes 8.25 million next year. I'd imagine guys like Ibanez and Abreu (who I don't want by the way, but you keep mentioning their names) will get around 10 mil. Is that extra 2 mil or so really going to cost us Peavy? If anything, I'd think you'd NOT want Winn if you think payroll issues will affect getting Peavy. That's 8.25 million spent on a .790 OPS when we could already get that out of Fontenot. The bottom line is that Winn is not very good. If he was making like 2 million next year and we could have him for dirt cheap, then maybe. But 8.25 million? That's a big waste of the rest of our already tight budget.

Not only does ERA+ not tell the whole story, but average to slightly above average starters do not deserve 21 million over 3 years.

just like how there was no way zambrano would have an era under 4 in 2008?