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what the hell did brouwer do?

how about you stop icing the puck

so what exactly is your argument? that he's not really as good as his career numbers show and he just got lucky? because if that's not your argument, then you don't have one. tim didn't post anything about his health. he just posted numbers to show how good he is when he IS healthy. sample size has nothing to do with this current argument.

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you're STILL not understanding the second part of the argument. let's say grabow comes into the game with runners at 1st and 2nd with one out. the first 2 guys he faces get rbi singles, followed by a double play to get out of the inning. guess what grabow's ERA is for that inning? 0 ok let's say grabow starts an inning and gets himself into a bases loaded, one out jam. they then bring in a new reliever who gets a double play ball to get out of the inning. guess what grabow's ERA is for that inning? 0 it's not an "i don't agree with it" thing. it's an "i dont understand" thing. 140 innings of harden pitching even close to his career numbers for 7.5 million dollars is a [expletive] steal. harden wasn't even that good last season and fangraphs still had his value at over 8 million last season. at what cost? do you like the situation we're in right now, with basically no money to spend? well we're in that position because he sacrificed the future to build those teams you're so impressed with. soriano was a huge part of making the playoffs in 07 and 08, and we're already starting to pay for it. it's not just about what players you. it's about what you get them for. the red sox spend a ton, but they spend wisely. hendry does not spend wisely. he just spends. annnnnd i think we're about done here

Those are beauiful small sample size stats. those are CAREER STATS jesus

so the vast majority of the teams the cubs are ahead of in that time span are teams with lower (and most significantly lower) payrolls than the cubs. awesome.

Those are beauiful small sample size stats. But when looking at those stats you also need to look at these. 09-26 starts- 141 innings 08-25 starts- 148 innings 07-4 starts(7 games)-25.2 innings 06-9 starts-46.2 innings 05-19 starts(22 games)-128 innings 04-31 starts-189 innings So when you start talking about paying a guy 7.5m -10m for one season when at best your most likely going to get 140 something innings probably isn't worth the risk. Especially considering nobody factors in you need to have better pieces around Harden. Otherwise it's gonna take away alot of the good he does when he does pitch. Plus that 6th starter or better relievers could often be used as resources in other trades. But you would have to keep them around just to help Harden out. the reason the price is so low is because of the innings. it seems like you think 15 mil a year for 210 innings is better value than 140 inning for 7.5 million the injury risk is taken into account in the salary.

you're not understanding this. even if he DOES maintain the low ERA, that doesn't necessarily mean he's been good. ERA is nearly useless for a reliever (especially for a lefty) and you seem to be under the impression that if his ERA was good, he was productive. that's not true, and it's been explained to you multiple times. you just ignore it. so not only does ERA not tell you how effective a pitcher was (which is the argument that you at least refernece), but it also doesn't even tell you how much he helped the team.

each day that goes by without bradley being traded is just making it more and more likely that it's going to be a worse deal than even the ones rumored. by all accounts, hendry is desperate to get rid of bradley as quickly as possible, and can't go on with other business until that's taken care of. so if he's that desperate to move him and still hasn't found a deal that is "satisfactory" by now, we must be looking at some pretty awful offers

why am i not shocked that a person who uses ERA to determine how good a reliever is would also use playoff appearances to measure how good a gm has been? Look at my post a few down from here......I'm of the same thinking as you on Hendry, for the most part, but do you agree with this assessment of his overall tenure? kind of, but you seem to only be looking at the present and not the future. a lot of the contracts he gave to help us make the playoffs then are starting to hurt us now, and it's only going to get worse. anybody can spend. it's a different thing to spend wisely. it's not as simple as "he brought in these good players". you have to look at HOW he brought them in, and at what cost to the future. we're really starting to pay for those division titles now and will continue to. i mean, how many times did we hear that the cubs were in "all out win mode"? they might as well have said "[expletive] the future, we're going to try to win one in these next couple years and then deal with the mess it created when the time comes."

be good at baseball?

why am i not shocked that a person who uses ERA to determine how good a reliever is would also use playoff appearances to measure how good a gm has been?

VDN when asked if he's worried about being fired we're fighting with what we have? why don't you man up and take some responsibilty and not blame it on the players

40 games over .500 is great in one season. It is not good over the course of 7 seasons. It is mediocre at best, and should be considered disappointing for a team that dominates in payroll. It's barely better than an 83 win season. That is bad. on average that's a little worse than 84-78 each season. when you consider the cubs have been among the leaders in payroll over that span, that's not an accomplishment

hey, it's not my fault that you're seemingly the only one on this board who doesn't understand how to properly look at stats. seriously, how many times do we have to explain to you that ERA for a reliever is a completely crap stat? it's stuff like this that makes it obvious you're going to blindly defend hendry no matter what. you just refuse to acknowledge it even though multiple people have explained to you in a million different ways why you're not understanding grabow's stats. as for the "he had to do something about the pen" nonsense.... you don't overpay for average players just because you need to bolster an area of the team. you know what that's called" that's called a desperation move. "hey out bullpen sucks. how do we fix it? by overpaying for mediocrity, of course." the division has sucked in 3 of the last 4 seasons, and one of those crappy seasons directly resulted in a division title for the cubs... a division title you're trying to pump up hendry's resume with.

Bunch of excues, because if made in 2007 due to weak competition, then I can say they didn't make it in 04 due to tough competition. Plus I assume your trying to say that a team that was five outs away from going to the World Series wasn't a playoff worthly team? pretty funny to hear you talk about making excuses, considering your main argument for defending hendry is "well he made the playoffs a couple times". remember last offseason when we were criticizing all the moves and you kept screaming at us to give them a chance and that you'd admit hendry did a bad job if those moves ended up being bad? well those moves ended up being bad, and all you did was continue to make excuses for all of his bad moves. then if you DO admit a move wasn't a good one, you're always quick to make sure you make an excuse for him. gave aaron miles 2/5? "hey, that's what the going rate is for backup middle infielders" gave up a good prospect for jevin gregg? "hey, he has closer experience" gave a league average reliever 2/7.5? "who cares about the real stats, he has kept his era low for a couple years in a row, so it's no longer a fluke" i understand that this board can have it out for hendry at times, but you're just as bad...worse actually... with your blind defense of him.

When deciding if something is a horrible move you have to factor in the teams money situation. If you don't realize that then you are clueless. Yes it's Hendry fault that the Cubs are in the postion they are in. He gets blame for the shape of the payroll and he's done a bad job with the last few years. But allowing Harden to accept arb, and using all of his free money so they couldn't add anybody else would be a bad move, not doing it is a good move. Get it? So say this sucks we couldn't do it because what Hendry did to our payroll. Not that the move itself in our situation is a bad move. I know people get hard ones here for bashing Hendry, but there's no doubt that this board goes WAY overboard with it. sorry, but i find it hard to cut hendry slack on being on a tight budget when he gives stiffs like john grabow 2 years and 7.5 [expletive] million. there's the ultimate copout excuse. hendry has a massive payroll, has gotten the benefit of playing in what is often a crap division, and i'm supposed to be congratulating him on building a team that got to the playoffs 3 out of 7 times? not to mention, the 2007 team only made the playoffs because of the crap division. 85 wins in a division where the rest of the teams were a combined 62 games under .500? WAY TO GO JIM with the resources hendry is given and the division we play in, the expectations should be a lot higher than "we made the playoffs 3 times in 7 years".

i kind of wish he did

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He would have taken it and made more through that than what he's making at 7.5.......All this says to me is we are truly hamstrung financially this offseason and we prioritized an OFer more than we did a SP......Personally, I'd have kept Harden and made a concession in RF with a Hermida type guy, if we absolutely HAD to get rid of Bradley...... hendry also prioritized league average relief pithcing seriously, the cubs will pay 4.75 million next year to grabow and miles, and we can't afford 7.5 to harden

but that would be a good thing it sucks knowing that hendry's main goal right now is making the team worse, and then making small moves to try and make up for the bad move he had to make. man, i can't believe that "75 games played to make the 3rd year vest" thing didn't protect us.

if you ever want to see how the majority of cubs fans think, just head over to cubs.com it's a sad reality.

you can go ahead and keep telling yourself that, but don't expect the rest of us to hop on the "defend hendry at all costs" bandwagon. not offering harden arbitration was a horrible baseball move, and even if you want to blame it on the money situation, it's still hendry's fault. he's the one that has put this team in this position with his bad contracts. but hey, he swung that aramis trade back in 03 and got derosa and stuff