and you could just eas easily reference lee's monster year, or wells ridiculous production, or lilly's career year, or the fact that we lost harden. i'm not saying it's a guarantee we're going to suck. im saying that as of right now, it looks like we're going to end up heading into ST with a pretty mediocre roster and will be hoping on rebound years from a lot of guys to compete. assuming the cubs make the small type moves it looks like they're going to, what would you guess for the cubs win total next season? i know its pointless to guess now, but you could give me a general idea. the point is that i bet you'd guess a record that was fairly mediocre.