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i was thinking he seems more like an arrieta guy that theo steals

santa maria

lester's swing is legitimately gorgeous

the fact that pg is staying in okc does shake things up. For the Lakers. Lonzo Bell tearing his meniscus is strike two the lakers missing out on everyone is the best and most entertaining possibility for this offseason

the fact that pg is staying in okc does kind of shake things up.

never ever trade javier baez

dempster

gg

"actually i said he is a cancer to his team and to this league"

"leading the team in hitting"

what is the point of this revisionism? you yourself wanted him He's def be on my short list Under the assumption Archer/Stroman aren't available outside of a godfather offer and Gray requires Eloy+ I'm all just for using our money and like Caritini and Jeimer to grab a pitcher who should have elite stuff (at least get the AL to NL bump) and at least fills a rotation spot for a year or 2.

haha when did you become such a dick? it's insane how personally you take any little negativity towards the cubs. i didn't "find" something to be bummed out about with darvish, it horsefeathering hit us all right in the face.

nobody said or thought he'd be that great, and he didn't have to be. there was plenty of reason to believe he was returning to form.

Verlander with the Tigers last year before the trade, fwiw. 28 starts, 3.82 ERA, 4.01 FIP, 4.41 FIP, 9.2 K/9, 3.8 BB/9, 1.2 HR/9, 33% GB rate. The guys wasn’t exactly lights out, the Astros pixies dust got him to another level. But obviously yes knowing the level he went to after the trade I’d gladly pull the trigger for just about any non MLB pieces they wanted at the time or agreed to pay for all his salary (if that was part of it). he was trending the right way approaching the break, and it was well documented that his stuff had been awesome all season, even when he was struggling. you're underselling his attractiveness by just posting those stats.

What’s the do over though? The do over is not making the playoffs last year and holding on to precious Eloy and then doing what? We needed 3 pitchers last year for this year including at least one at the deadline last year for any chance to make the playoffs. We all wish these moves were better to date but we NEEEDED to make 3 moves and I think we made the best moves with what we had to use and what was available. It sucks they haven’t worked but it is what it is and we are still in a great spot if they pitch like they can. People love to say that we should've gone for Verlander but IIRC not many on this board wanted anything to do with him nah, there were several people who were into it, or at least open to it

i have a three stages of javy opinions that i continuously cycle through - he'll never have an interest in patience, and will always make a ton of outs even at his best. trade him while he still has a lot of value - just between the defensive talent and power, he's basically a lock to to be a 2-3 win player every year, with the upside for more in seasons where he gets hot. we probably won't get enough in return to justify trading him, but he's not untouchable. - he is a star in every facet of the game. i am infatuated with this player. never ever trade him.

your questions make no horsefeathering sense. I'm not pretending like i know who they should have gotten. I'm saying that having a ton of resources to spend on 2 unknown high-quality long-term pitchers is favorable to having already spent the assets and gotten 2 huge turds. My question makes perfect sense and you know it. They made the best possible moves with the resources and information they had with the reasonably available guys at the time of need to not only make the playoffs and get a few wins from another WS last year to adding the best possible FAs this year. Yes they’ve been let downs this year but there’s really no realistic alternatives outside of really Monday morning quarterbacking it. Unless you were perfectly fine with punting last year and adding no best option pitchers this offseason and hoping someone else would be available via trade come this deadline. It’s a process vs results thing mostly for me. I’m very fine with the process of the additions but the results have been lacking. i made a post saying i wish we could have a do-over on some whiffs (and yes, i think quintana is a whiff so far), and you're basically saying "oh yeah, what moves did YOU have lined up?". i've said nothing about the process or how the trades appeared at the time. i'm saying i wish they hadn't turned out like this. you have no point. i don't know what you're doing.

holy horsefeathers are you serious Yes. Given who was available at the times we needed to make moves what are the trades or FA signings you’d do? I’m not arguing to date they’ve worked out to what we wished but what are the other moves. We needed 3 starters last year at this time. your questions make no horsefeathering sense. I'm not pretending like i know who they should have gotten. I'm saying that having a ton of resources to spend on 2 unknown high-quality long-term pitchers is favorable to having already spent the assets and gotten 2 huge turds.

We got to the NLCS last year a good chunk due to Q and I mean what else was there to do this offseason? Legit asking? Do nothing last year and miss the playoffs and then trade Eloy for Cole? We still need two other starters. holy horsefeathers are you serious

can we go back to early 2017 when we sucked, but we still had money and eloy to fix the rotation? it's insane how badly we whiffed on the new pitchers.

Not really but we’ve done this dance before

it's hard to be optimistic with this rotation

oh, it was last year before being traded, not a few years ago.

is it bad that he said he thought about retiring a few years ago?

I know this joke is played out but lmao what if it was actually just Clayton Kershaw. I know this joke is played out but lmao what if it was actually just Clayton Kershaw. What is a "played out" joke? What is a great "played out" joke? Carrie Muskat mistaking one player for another Carrie Muskat mistaking one player for another I've never heard of a joke being played out (posted just below a gif from an arrested development episode that is several years old and only tangentially related to the quoted post it was ostensibly making fun of)