squally1313

Dongs please

You are hoping they lose a game? What is wrong with you? That's the most positive post he's made in weeks, and it's really not that unreasonable as I think we would all take that result. I get that he puts out a lot of bad posts, but don't just blindly bash him.

Haven't seen it, but I did some googling and I think this explains it (sorry if I'm ruining the joke woodchip)

Maddon is in a tough spot with this incoming weather. I wouldn't want to waste a reliever and have this thing get rained out in the 4th inning. But that might be the only move we have to stay in the game in the small chance it goes long enough to be official. Unless I'm misunderstanding the rules.

There is very little I wouldn't sacrifice right now for a Castro dong.

As an aside (and yes, I know they aren't the same case), it's pretty interesting to read the thread that resulted from Castro's sexual assault situation.

It's possible for people to be total douchebags and also not rapists. You said that the Madison debacle is a microcosm of everything wrong with him. What other violent or aggressive incidents does that story represent? Yeah he's a terrible person who I would have no interest in spending any time with, and yes, he's nothing like anyone I know. But maybe there are other circles in the Venn diagram here.

Out of the rumored story there are no rumored stories? Is 'there has been one rumored story in the 8 years he's been on the Hawks' better for you? Look at the evidence of what happened that weekend and believe whatever you want to believe. But arguing like this was something that probably happened before, or was going to happen at some point no matter what seems a bit too far. Nobody is talking about whether it happened before and was destined to happen. The question is did this happen and right now hoping it did not happen does not look good. Also, how does hoping that someone didn't get raped not look good?

Out of the rumored story there are no rumored stories? Is 'there has been one rumored story in the 8 years he's been on the Hawks' better for you? Look at the evidence of what happened that weekend and believe whatever you want to believe. But arguing like this was something that probably happened before, or was going to happen at some point no matter what seems a bit too far.

Sofa I don't have a problem with you being sure that he did it. I just don't think you can get to that conclusion because of his past. Outside of the one rumored story up in Madison, there has been no published evidence, rumoroed or otherwise, about him showing violence or aggression towards women. It's essentially condemning an entire culture of people as eventual rapists because they love to get really drunk.

I mean, as someone who got ripped apart a few days ago for a couple potentially poorly chosen words in a long post, I think posting something like "Yeah, but we'll definitely remember the time Patrick Kane raped that woman" seems pretty absolute.

Come on super K the side.

Probably only occasional this season. The games are too important down the stretch to have him learning back there. It'll depend on Montero's health, to a certain extent, and also a little bit on how well this Coghlan at second thing works. If Montero needs a few days, they'll need to decide if Coghlan (LF)/Schwarber ©/Castro (2B) is better than Schwarber (LF)/Coghlan (2B)/Ross ©. I'd like to think option A is better, but who knows what Maddon thinks.

I know it was a weird play, but it's pretty pathetic how bad MLB Gameday is at just giving basic play by play. Didn't even make an effort on that one.

You probably should just go ahead and admit defeat on that one. Based on all of the verified accounts of his "partying" over the years and life of entitlement, there's a FAR better chance that something happened than not. Still probably a pretty slim chance he faces a complete career-killing punishment over it due to his built-in advantages ($$$, fancy lawyers, the overall worldwide rape culture, likely lack of 100% damning evidence, etc...), but in everyone's heart of hearts, they know something shady happened and that it's probably closer to the worst case scenario than the best case scenario. Maybe I'm just ignorant on his "partying" habits but just because someone likes to get hammered all the time & bang tons of chicks doesn't make them a rapist. And if those rumors are true I feel bad for Kaner. But in the end he put himself in the position for this to happen. His "partying" has included choking some girl in public during the Madison debacle a few years back, that's why I referenced it. A ton of guys drink a lot and bang a lot of chicks, but he's not only on the higher end of that spectrum, but has been entitled his whole life, and shown violence toward women publicly while drunk, that's why I mentioned that. If we're going to discredit every piece of information that has leaked out over the last couple weeks, I don't know if it's really fair to accept the choking story (don't think anything legal ever came from that) as fact. This is a good article that I generally agree with on this: http://sports.cbslocal.com/2015/08/12/bernstein-avoiding-confusion-in-kane-discussion/. A lot of people, athletes or not, go out and drink way too much and hook up with a lot of people. A vast majority of those people do not rape someone. To say the first leads to the second is a stretch. We were all ok with Kane's general behavior, at least to the point of cheering for him and the Hawks (which is really the extent of being a fan anyways) until two weeks ago. If he raped someone....everything changes. But we don't know yet.

Maybe someone can do the same with Javy and his K rate.

I remember the standard shorthand for determining BAPIP used to be 1.2 x LD%, no? Yeah Bryant kills the ball, but when a lot of those hard hit balls (not sure on the requirements for that....exit velocity?) are ending up in the seats or caught at the warning track, it doesn't seem like that would lead to high BAPIP. I'm hoping Bryant can keep up the BAPIP too, but his batted ball profile (high FB%, relatively low LD%...below Castro's career average by about 6%) wouldn't seem to lend itself to that. Maybe he's making up for it with his baserunning skills, and ZIPS obviously thinks it is for real, but from a quick glance I would think it's due for some regression (which would then be cancelled out by a more appropriate HR/FB%).

Yeah he's just going to be like this. Maybe without the huge swings like last month, but his average is always going to fluctuate more than other players because he puts so many less balls in play. He had an absolutely brutal month, and he's still on pace for over 5 WAR his rookie season while having the same HR/FB% as Cameron Maybin (translation: incoming dongs). This is more than we could have expected.

Yeah absolutely. I think everyone knew he was a pretty terrible individual before last week. A lot of athletes are, and he was probably one of the worst, but everyone knew and, for lack of a better term, put up with it. I just don't know if I would go so far as to say that everyone would have gone on record as to be like 'yeah, he's probably going to rape someone at some point in his life' before all this came out. So to use that as something that should impact one's thoughts on what happened seems a bit of a stretch. The actual facts that we have are bad enough. Hey, I look at it along the lines of how the leagues have all seen escalating pressure to deal with things like DUI's and domestic violence. How many of those instances do you look at and think, "oh yeah, that's probably the only time they did that?" Sure, but that gets into the bigger question of how much fans are willing to put up with and/or be willingly ignorant of in order to enjoy sports. A vast majority of athletes are bad people. It'd be tough for me to be able to watch sports if I thought most of the people I'm watching have done something terrible in the past (and that's before concussions and everything else). Again....pretty depressing.

Yeah absolutely. I think everyone knew he was a pretty terrible individual before last week. A lot of athletes are, and he was probably one of the worst, but everyone knew and, for lack of a better term, put up with it. I just don't know if I would go so far as to say that everyone would have gone on record as to be like 'yeah, he's probably going to rape someone at some point in his life' before all this came out. So to use that as something that should impact one's thoughts on what happened seems a bit of a stretch. The actual facts that we have are bad enough.

You probably should just go ahead and admit defeat on that one. Based on all of the verified accounts of his "partying" over the years and life of entitlement, there's a FAR better chance that something happened than not. Still probably a pretty slim chance he faces a complete career-killing punishment over it due to his built-in advantages ($$$, fancy lawyers, the overall worldwide rape culture, likely lack of 100% damning evidence, etc...), but in everyone's heart of hearts, they know something shady happened and that it's probably closer to the worst case scenario than the best case scenario. I don't even want to be penciled in as just wanting to avoid a 'complete career-killing punishment'. I really hope he didn't do it because that means that a rape didn't happen. Yeah, he doesn't have the best reputation, but it seems overly simple to be like 'well, this was bound to happen eventually'. He's had this reputation for 8 years and has the cab driving thing (not a sexual crime), the Madison stories (doesn't look good), and a bunch of more or less rumors and 'friend of a friend' stories.

It's a really sad and depressing situation in general. For as long as I reasonably can, I'm just going to really, really hope he didn't do it. Not that he doesn't get charged, or doesn't get suspended, or the charges get dropped, or whatever....that he actually didn't do it. If you guys want to say he's a serial rapist who throws sex parties all the time, go for it.

Waitwhatnow? I missed this element of the story apparently. Just the idea that his family was making "guests" sign release forms and hand in cell phones. It could very well be male cousins or something but that's boring. Is that part of the story really that weird? (or are you just saying the fact that it was family doing it?) With cameraphones and all that stuff, I would probably do the same and I'd figure it's commonplace when celebrities throw parties. Hell normal people can't even go out with their friends these days and act drunk and stupid without having pictures or videos taken for all their other friends to laugh at Especially after all the fallout from his weekend in Madison a few years back (which was deserved, but still). I think going with 'sex bouncers' is pretty strong when it's much more likely that Kane is just a terrible drinker (and I mean this solely for this discussion, not about what happened last weekend).

It's been 107 years. That's an insanely long time. People are going to talk about it. Who cares.

Let's go boys. Dong time.