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Lol. It's 3 days from July and Bryant's SLG went up .047 and OPS went up .057 today.

"It's got to be the torn pants, folks. It's go to be the torn pants." - Chip Caray

Put Montero on the DL already.

Why the hell was Rizzo trying to field that one?

I was having the same problem on Firefox which is why I asked if I had the right link. I'll try Chrome.

- I may not know exactly how they evaluate, but beyond this not being rocket science Epstein has stated many times over the course of the rebuild about how their game is not to react dramatically. He's talked about in terms of the rebuild, in terms of adding at the deadline this year and last, it plays out in the way the rebuild went down. - My view on Contreras was that he would hit, is high energy and athletic, but his defense behind the plate lags. That's in line with almost literally anyone that matters in the prospect game. He also has *nothing* to do with Martinez. A full AA season, a year and a half between AA and AAA at 23 and 24, is different from 3 months of A ball during a debut season. I'd be curious as to what your thoughts were on Contreras in A ball - I tagged him as an offensive sleeper on PSD to criticism then too (pissing contest over irrelevant topics in this discussion!). 1 and 4 in the org is a different from 8 and below 20 in the org, one a little more dramatic than the other. Throw in that my knocks were the consensus knocks and I don't get why you keep going back to Contreras as some kind of evidence of anything. Like Contreras and Hannemann before him, Edwards has nothing at all to do with Martinez. What you call 2 years, I call ~83 innings in a completely different and new role spread over 2 years without any real decline in overall dominance - tomato/tomahto, I guess. Torres remains an excellent prospect worthy of being marked a system's top guy. - Who are these many people unwilling to rank Martinez? BP and Keith Law had him top 7 or 8 in the system. BA made him a top 100 prospect right off the bat among all the prospects in all the systems. It's not a career killer either. They write about the loud performances. Right now Martinez's performane doesn't really call for nationally published words or major reactions. You assume/extrapolate too much out of thin air. That your whole opinion of his defense is based of words that haven't been written, easily explainable positioning, and what you interpret that to mean should be a hint that you are being rash. Anyway, it is your perogative and opinions are sacred yada yada yada...In the end, I think there's minimal rationale behind dropping Martinez out of the top 20 and *that's* what I'm saying. Nothing about him being a great prospect, nothing about him being or not being a JAG in the long run - just that overreacting in one direction doesn't equal out overreacting in the other direction beforehand. Really takes the fun out of a decent baseball debate when it boils down to "well that's just like, my opinion man" in the end, but realistically it is the most sensible ending. Good talk! Martinez didn't make BA's top 100. They actually ranked him 28th in the system last offseason. Additionally, Ben Badler recently said in a chat the Giants had to be pleased to not sign him (don't remember the exact phrasing, but clearly he still isn't a fan).

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For Hedges and Stinnett, it sounds like the velocity readings are just from their short stints at their All-Star Game:

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Is this still the link to use to make our own rankings?

Box Scores: Iowa lost game one of a doubleheader 10-9 (9 innings) Box Score RF-CF J. Andreoli 2/4, 2 R, 2B (9), BB, K 3B T. La Stella 2/3, R, HR (1), 2 RBI, K - rehab PH-1B J. Candelario 1/1, R, BB 1B D. Vogelbach 3/4, 2 R, 2 2B (15), HR (15), 4 RBI 2B L. Watkins 1/4, RBI, K, CS (2) SS M. Kawasaki 1/4, 2 K SP P. Johnson 2 IP, 4 H, 5 ER, 3 BB, 0 K, 1 WP, 3-2 GO-FO, 47-24 pitches-strikes RP D. Beeler 0.2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 1 HBP, 2-0 GO-FO RP S. Peralta 2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 0 K, 4-2 GO-FO Iowa won game two 3-2 (8 innings) Box Score CF J. Andreoli 1/3, R, BB, CS (5) 2B L. Watkins 2/4, R, SB (10) LF-RF M. Zagunis 2/3, R, HR (2), 2 RBI, BB, outfield assist at second base 1B D. Vogelbach 2/3 3B J. Candelario 1/4, 2 K SP J. Buchanan 7 IP, 9 H, 2 ER, 1 BB, 8 K, 5-4 GO-FO, 89-61 pitches-striikes RP C. Black 1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 1-1 GO-FO Tennessee won 12-1 (6 innings: Completed Early - Rain) Box Score CF J. Hannemann 2/4, 2 R, K 3B C. Young 2/3, 3 R, 2B (9), BB 2B I. Happ 3/3, 2 R, HR (2), 3 RBI 1B V. Caratini 2/4, R, 2B (15), 2 RBI, K RF B. McKinney 2/3, 2 R, 3B (2), 4 RBI, BB, K SS C. Penalver 1/4, RBI PH B. Rademacher 1/2, R SP B. Markey 6 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 8-7 GO-FO, 89-54 pitches-strikes; batting: 1/2, R, 2B (1), K Myrtle Beach PPD - Rain South Bend lost 6-1 Box Score 2B C. Sepulveda 2/4 C PJ Higgins 0/4 CF D. Dewees 1/4, R, 2B (13) 1B T. Alamo 2/4, K RF E. Martinez 1/3, RBI, BB, K DH J. Hodges 0/3, K SP A. Alzolay 5 IP, 11 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 0 BB, 5 K, 5-5 GO-FO, 84-59 pitches-strikes RP G. Eregua 3 IP, 0 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K, 0-6 GO-FO Eugene won 8-2 Box Score CF DJ Wilson 0/2, 2 R, 2 BB, SB (5) 2B A. Monasterio 1/4, R, 2 K RF K. Mitchell 1/3, 2 R, RBI 3B M. Rose 2/3, R, HR (2), 3 RBI, HBP DH R. Marcano 1/4, RBI, 2 K SS Y. Peguero 0/4 SP J. Castillo 5 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 11 K, 1 WP, 3-1 GO-FO RP S. Frazier 2 IP, 1 H, 1 ER< 0 BB, 2 K, 2-0 GO-FO AZL Cubs won 7-2Box Score CF L. Ayala 2/4, 2 R, RBI, BB, K, SB (2) RF J. Gonzalez 3/5, 2 RBI, CS (1) SS I. Paredes 1/4, R, BB 1B G. Polanco 2/4, RBI, K, HBP DH M. Cruz 1/4, RBI, BB, 2 K 3B K. Zamudio 1/1, R, 2B (2) SP E. Moreno 6 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 2 BB, 6 K, 6-4 GO-FO DSL Cubs 1 lost 6-1 Box Score SS R. Narea 1/4, K, CS (5), E (8, fielding) RF J. Sierra 1/4, R, 2B (3) CF J. Gutierrez 2/4, 2B (2), 2 RBI, CS (3) LF J. Jules 0/4, K, outfield assist at second base 2B O. Nuñez 1/4, SB (3) SP J. Mac Donna 4 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 HBP, 5-2 GO-FO DSL Cubs 2 won 4-2 Box Score 3B F. Mejia 0/4, K, E (4, fielding) SS A. Ademan 2/4, R C M. Amaya 1/4, RBI, E (2, pickoff) LF A. Rodriguez 2/4, R, 3B (2), RBI 2B L. Diaz 0/4, 2 K, E (2, fielding) SP F. Carrera 2.2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 3-2 G-FO

Wow, Ian Rice in the top 10 is far too rich for me. Maybe it's just that I'm not used to a developmental system that can produce major league position players with later draft picks and that's why I'm lower than most on Chesny Young, Ian Rice, PJ Higgins, etc. I can see Albertos in the top ten. The talent and pedigree are obviously there, even if he's incredibly far away.

Position players: Candelario, Zagunis, Vogelbach. Pitchers: Zastryzny starting plus Black, Peña and Rivero out of the pen.

Geez, Zobrist and Heyward crushed those.

Maybe Bryant forgot how to third base after all those starts in the outfield?

Pretty slim, unless he's hurt. They'll probably pitch him sparingly (1-2 inning outings once a week) in Mesa and/or Eugene, which is what they've done with most of their highly drafted college pitchers since the new signing deadline.

Box Scores: Iowa won game one of a doubleheader 6-5 (8 innings) Box Score CF J. Andreoli 0/5, K LF M. Zagunis 2/5, R, 2 K 1B D. Vogelbach 2/3, 2 R,HR (14), RBI, BB 3B J. Candelario 0/2, 2 BB SP R. Zastryzny 7 IP, 6 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, 16-2 GO-FO, 111-69 pitches-strikes; batting: 1/3 Iowa - game two - PPD - Rain Tennessee won 3-0 Box Score CF J. Hannemann 2/5, R, SB (25), CS (7) 3B C. Young 0/3, BB, K 2B I. Happ 3/4, 2B (2), RBI C V. Caratini 0/3, R, BB RF B. McKinney 2/3, R, BB SP P. Blackburn 6 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 5 K, 85-52 pitches-strikes RP J. Paniagua 1 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 0 K, 1-1 GO-FO Myrtle Beach won 2-1 Box Score LF C. Burks 1/3, R, HR (6), RBI, BB CF R. Crawford 0/4, K DH G. Torres 1/4, K, CS (6) C I. Rice 2/4, R, HR (1), RBI, K, E (1, missed catch) 3B J. Vosler 1/4 SS A. Ely 0/2, BB SP J. Stinnett 8 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5 K, 1 HBP, 1 WP, 10-4 GO-FO, 90-61 pitches-strikes RP R. McNeil 1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 1 K, 1-0 GO-FO South Bend won 11-1 Box Score 2B C. Sepulveda 2/4, 2 R, 2B (7), RBI, K, E (6, fielding) C PJ Higgins 3/4, 3 R, 2B (16), 3 RBI, 2 BB CF D. Dewees 2/6, 2B (12), RBI, 2 K LF E. Jimenez 2/2, 2 RBI, SB (5) - left game for PH in the fourth inning RF E. Martinez 2/5, R, 2B (12), K 1B T. Alamo 1/4, R, HR (3), 3 RBI, K, HBP SP K. Miller 5 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 6 K, 6-4 GO-FO, 74-47 pitches-strikes Eugene won 4-1 Box Score SS A. Monasterio 1/3, R RF K. Mitchell 1/4, R, HR (1), 2 RBI, 2 K 1B M. Rose 1/4, RBI, 2 K 3B W. Galindo 1/3, R, K, E (3, fielding) 2B Y. Peguero 0/2, BB SP M. Rondon 5 IP, 5 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 4 K, 6-3 GO-FO RP MT Minacci 2.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 5 K, 1-1 GO-FO AZL Cubs, DSL Cubs 1 and DSL Cubs 2 had the day off

Cardinals lose again.

Giants lose.

CT isn't allowed to start another game thread.

Well, Hatch can now sign.

I mentioned it last night itself. I haven't edited it just so we can all mock CT.

Nice. Off-speed and breaking balls were "vicious". It's rare to find such a young pitcher with such advanced secondary pitches. Do you think he's likely to add velocity as he fills out? I see he's 6'8". Yeah, I suspect he will add a couple mph to his average velocity. That obviously sounds a lot more interesting if he's currently working around 90 rather than the 87-88 mentioned in the tweet Tom posted.