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Work his way up to like 90 seconds and thats a hobbling walk off trot around the bases.

Well you don't break up that second line, right? Hossa taking on a diminished role? Vesey-Toews-Panik/Hossa Panarin-Amnisimov-Kane I'd have to look at the roster again to put together a 3rd line Hockey for Dummies question here, bit how strict are the sides for a winger? Hossa and Panik are both listed at RW, but most line projections I've seen currently gave them both in the top line. As far as the bottom two lines, I think Kruger safely fits into the third C role. After that, it seems like just throwing a bunch of guys out there and seeing what sticks.

Well you don't break up that second line, right? Hossa taking on a diminished role?

Huh, that dude is a realtor and kept sending me stuff after I toured an open house. Didnt know he was an NHL Sirius radio guy which Google confirms to me. I was really confused at first why he was the source if this news.

Do they run 9.81 or 9.89?

Jay Buttler! *5 year old attempting insult.

I had no idea who Butler was. Didnt know they were doing joint practice with the Pats.

if i remember correctly (which i easily might not) i think we traded down after mcnabb got taken (since that's who we really wanted)...does that sound right? No idea, that was the first time I really remember watching the draft though and I'm sure I would have loved anyone they picked.

I was super excited about Cade lol. Also the real bad part of Cade is we traded down and Culpepper went right before him. Not that i have any idea who the Bears actually liked, but still, he was available at our original slot.

totally disagree... 96-2000 bears. lasted longer and were worse. as far as embarrassment and bumbling around (which i'm guessing is where you have trestman winning), there was plenty between the clearly worst mccaskey, not having a GM, curtis enis, cade, etc. they were a pathetic joke of a team. The wanny years were just no talent.Its a tough call. As much Trestman just ended up being a huge embarrassment, there were way more entertaining players to watch, at least on offense, than anything those late 90's teams had.

It was still formative sports years for me, but 1996 Atlanta Gymnastics team competition got me liking gymnastics.

I dont think hes as athletic is he?

I dont think it was that low. A couple million a piece.

I was thinking brie, for sure. Cant be anything fancier than that right? I mean its being paired with a twinkie.

Oh christ, i said barely missed. Plus that would be 3rd year Crawford and 2nd year Richardson. Neither had quite broken out into 20 ppg efficient scorers. And Artest I've already dealt im this madeup scenario. Now shut up and imagine all the Championships I just gave you by keeping Brand... momentarily.

Lets say Pax had taken over by that point. He definitely keeps Brand and probably drafts the safe, older player from established program, so either Richardson or Battier. Crawford Richardson Artest Brand Brad Miller Hoiberg! Probaly deals World Peace still at some point and probably doesnt bring back JC again when that time comes, but still some time for that. Still a pretty bad team, but not number 2 pick. 2002 isnt great for the experienced big time college players, but maybe we get Caron Butler in the mid-lotto JC Richardson Butler Brand Miller Bulls continue to make strides as a young core, but their lack of a true PG and two ball dominant young Gs is a clear bad fit, and they narrowly miss the playoffs. 2003 Pax falls in love with local Chicago kid Dwyane Wade. But he knows he must trade up to get him. Luckily Riley is eager for a quicker build and trades the number 7 pick to Chicago for Richardson. Chicago finally has pieces that fit and make the playoffs but suffers a first round exit. But then in July of 2004 after too much clashing of egos SHAQ becomes available and the Bulls trade Caron Butler, Elton Brand, and some random vet FA they signed a few years ago plus a future pick for SHAQ. Yadda yadda yadda Bulls build around Wade and Shaq while bringing on savvy vets like White Chocolate, win 2005 NBA finals. Wade throws sex parties, recruits the best basketball player in the world 4 years later, everyone hates Chicago. Lebron leaves us heartbroken and we sit here in 2016 trying to figure out where the Lebron and Wade relationships went wrong. NOW DO THE KOBE TRADE. Pax and West come to mutually agreeable terms. Kobe vetoes.

If I remember correctly (I was 11) we didn't pick up Brian Skinner. His Bulls career was the same as Andrew Bynum's, in that we had no intention of giving him a jersey. But, I guess this is just where you and I differ as NBA executives. I think it was a bad move. I would have kept Brand, hopefully drafted someone besides Eddy Curry with my #1 pick, and then tried to attract a free agent. Lets say Pax had taken over by that point. He definitely keeps Brand and probably drafts the safe, older player from established program, so either Richardson or Battier. Crawford Richardson Artest Brand Brad Miller Hoiberg! Probaly deals World Peace still at some point and probably doesnt bring back JC again when that time comes, but still some time for that. Still a pretty bad team, but not number 2 pick. 2002 isnt great for the experienced big time college players, but maybe we get Caron Butler in the mid-lotto JC Richardson Butler Brand Miller Bulls continue to make strides as a young core, but their lack of a true PG and two ball dominant young Gs is a clear bad fit, and they narrowly miss the playoffs. 2003 Pax falls in love with local Chicago kid Dwyane Wade. But he knows he must trade up to get him. Luckily Riley is eager for a quicker build and trades the number 7 pick to Chicago for Richardson. Chicago finally has pieces that fit and make the playoffs but suffers a first round exit. But then in July of 2004 after too much clashing of egos SHAQ becomes available and the Bulls trade Caron Butler, Elton Brand, and some random vet FA they signed a few years ago plus a future pick for SHAQ. Yadda yadda yadda Bulls build around Wade and Shaq while bringing on savvy vets like White Chocolate, win 2005 NBA finals. Wade throws sex parties, recruits the best basketball player in the world 4 years later, everyone hates Chicago. Lebron leaves us heartbroken and we sit here in 2016 trying to figure out where the Lebron and Wade relationships went wrong.

Uh... wasn't Brand WAY more athletic than Curry? I remember Curry being chubby and slow-moving. Brand could actually create off the dribble. Not really. Curry, especially at 18, was a nimble dude. I think he was a tumbler? And he had a pretty decent vertical. He became a fat slob like 7 years later. Brand had good length (basically had C type length despite being only 6'9") and that was his advantagr, not athleticism. Beyond becoming a fat slob the biggest issue was all he did was score. Even at his peak, his scoring efficency was among league best, but he didnt rebound, defend, pass, or do any other discernable bball skill well. Shaq did all those things and put up MVP type PERs.

I didnt say even it was a good move, just they sold high. If Pax is at the helm a few years earlier they probably do something like select Battier at number 4 that year and start building a nice mid 40s win team 2 years earlier than they did and been a very enjoyable to watch, but also wasn't championship material. Krause did the blow up that so many want now and wanted circa 2006. :dontknow:

How about leading a team to 30 wins? I think Bosh handled that without much more help than Brand had. And yea, Bosh is basically also the definition of not a franchise changer. If the qualifier is third best player on a Championship team with the best player on Earth.... yea. I mean, do you remember freaking Kevin Garnett being dogged for not being a winner, and that was for leading his teams to a bunch of second round appearances in a tough Western Conference. Kevin Garnetts twolves only made it out of the first round once Point stands. Brand was sold at a his functional high point. You could try to get real technical on what selling high means, but even looking at the history of high picks being traded where the return wasn't primarily another high pick, and you can see players just don't get traded with much more value than that.

Well he certainly wasnt a flashy player, but even non flashy teams are fun if they can win some games.

He was, which is how he got traded for the number 2 pick in a pretty hyped draft (the hype of course ended up being silly, but at the time that pick held value).

Hindsight, he improved a little bit that next year, but the book that was written on him probably is unchanged. He wasn't a franchise changer, not before the draft, not after two years, not after three years. There are very few players that are capable of single-handedly turning a bad team into a playoff team. You could probably put Lebron James on any team in the league and they would make the playoffs, but who else can you say that about? Elton Brand could have been a very nice piece on a contender if we had been able to pair him with a couple other elite players. He could have been, like, the Chris Bosh of a Big 3. How about leading a team to 30 wins? I think Bosh handled that without much more help than Brand had. And yea, Bosh is basically also the definition of not a franchise changer. If the qualifier is third best player on a Championship team with the best player on Earth.... yea. I mean, do you remember freaking Kevin Garnett being dogged for not being a winner, and that was for leading his teams to a bunch of second round appearances in a tough Western Conference.

That or Jerry Krause was just a pompous ass He was probably correct to. That was a good deal for that first Bulls run, no? There is something to the difference of eras though... they were in an uncapped, no max era. Money would still have even been the driving source to any superstars decision, so you could always just outbid anyone else. Piss off Lebron now and he can go get the same deal from any other team and you have no way to outbid them. So short of money, pleasing your star players with personal influence over the roster is a big bargaining chip now.

They had won 32 games in two years with him as a 20/10 guy. He wasn't going to blossom in value by being the leader of sub 20 win teams with a dwindling rookie contract. He saw a small uptick in his third year after the trade and that's then basically who he was sans one All Star year 5 years later. All I was saying is it would have been possible to sell higher on him, like, after that season. Hindsight, he improved a little bit that next year, but the book that was written on him probably is unchanged. He wasn't a franchise changer, not before the draft, not after two years, not after three years.