I can't tell you how often a person who isn't a casual fan will be informed of/look at a pitcher's sparkling stats and be like, "Yea, but how many games has he won." Conversely, you'll often see these same people respond to a pitcher with horrible stats but a decent win total and they'll be like, "He knows how to win games. That's all that matters," or some other similar anecdotal nonsense. These aren't people that just go to a few games a year or catch a few on TV, either. These are fans that consider themselves big fans, post on baseball message boards, listen to sports radio and call in to shows. It's stupid. People aren't being condescending by pointing out that it's stupid. They're just not being baseball ignoramuses Really, I have no problem with them continuing to think that way. Ignorance is bliss. People can keep believing in Santa Claus. My main problem with it is that they are the ones who act ridiculously condescending when their "facts" are challenged.