If you do not think that referring to others as stupid or ignorant because they do not understand something you might is condescending, I don't have much else to say. Come on. It's not an inability to understand. It's a flat out refusal to be open minded about things even when obvious common sense is presented. These aren't complex concepts that only certain people can grasp. It's simple and a lot of people just refuse to embrace it because it goes against what they've always believed (obviously, this idea goes beyond the W-L stat, baseball, sports, etc. and applies to many aspects of life)... So now it is your contention, unlike in the first quoted post where you stated these people are " stupid " or "ignoramuses ", that they are just stubborn ? It is now your contention that these ideas are not complex concepts that only a chosen few can understand ? That approach sounds much less condescending. Thank you. Ignorance has nothing to do with a lack of ability to comprehend or understand. It's the refusal to learn or to want to learn. At least, that's the way I use it. I didn't refer to the people as stupid, but the concepts they adhere to. But I could see how one could misunderstand that.