Frankly, I'm surprised by the default unwilllingness to discuss seriously any POV coming from a conservative, but that's probably because I'm a foreigner. Again, this isn't about conservative vs. liberal. I have never identified, generally, as a liberal. There are others (though in the minority) here like me. Trump is a dangerous monster who is empowering hateful and bigoted people. If that isn't bad enough, he has no idea what he's doing, either.