Both sides keep moving the goal posts, so this argument is stupid. Hey, I gave some level of definition to elite and was willing to take bets on it. I tried to get them to pin down what they meant by "elite". I even offered a pretty damn liberal definition of "elite" to make it easier. Furthermore, I've never said that the running attack sucks as a whole. I did say that Howard sucks at one point in a game where he sucked. I then explained that I meant to that point in the season, gave reasons why, and speculated he might be battling an injury (which turned out to be true). None of that is either outrageous or undefined. What is outrageous on my part is that I refuse to let it go when they keep prodding me.