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http://minors.mlblogs.com/2013/10/17/an-early-thought-from-the-afl/ Don't understand how Bryant's ceiling is only a high 6 in Parks's book when he has such crazy power. Just his opinion. I have Bryant higher than a role 6 ceiling, and I'm sure many others do too.

WIth Jones likely out, who should I go with? 1 Flex (PPR) Willis McGahee @ GB Andre Ellington vs SEA Rueben Randle vs MIN

Pick 1 RB, and 1 WR, 1 Flex (PPR) Maurice Jones-Drew vs SD Willis McGahee @ GB Andre Ellington vs SEA Hakeem Nicks vs MIN James Jones vs CLE Rueben Randle vs MIN

Oh, great. Now when he gives up a game winning home run to that fat load Adams I'll have to hear about how he's an ex-Cub from all the morans down here. Ugh. Morans? Like that guy in the stupid Cards fan pic?

Pick one Gronk Garrett Graham Pick one Willis McGahee MJD Andre Ellington

LOL, come on man.

Well I'm liking the PP so far.

Well then shame on me. Apologies.

hawks will roll the blues crawford regresses and the next 2 season are wasted by goaltending. kane and toews, disenchanted with the organization after 2 first round exits, leave for winnipeg and buffalo. the 2 stanley cups quickly become a distant memory as the hawks fade into bolivia. Why Bolivia? Probably meant oblivion. Still idiotic.

Don't tease me like that, Keith.

Gary Sheffield the career infielder is basically A-Rod/Chipper territory. But...he wasn't a career infielder But Baez should be. That's the point.

Boozer is really good, man. What about him? Still with this? I'm just trying to fit in around here. We're supposed to love Boozer, right? You are terrible.

And what [expletive] good did that do us? Again, decide what point you want to argue. We aren't talking about wins and losses. We're talking about the offense you found worthy to mock. Seriously, Old Style, you are all over the place. What point are you trying to make?

Good pitcher, but probably not worth the assets required to get him IMO.

After 5 games it should be #1!!!! So we're barely above average and that's supposed to be exciting to me? Coming from being 28th out of 32 teams, and only 5 games into a new system, yes, that should be very exciting to you. It will continue to go up over time.

It's largely a Bear fan thread, and there's pro-Bear "fan arguments" going on. Go figure. OK, true. I have some friends who were born and raised in Chicago and it's interesting to hear what they think about Cutler. I would say out of the 5 of them, 2 of them will defend Jay Cutler to the bitter end and 3 of them despise him. There is absolutely no grey area. All this says is that 3 of your friends are idiots.

What a worthless post. You sound like an idiot. I'm glad it was worth your time to intentionally make yourself sound dumb.

You mean there are stats out there (besides "bubblegum stats") that prove he had a good year? Better FIP in 2013 than 2012.

Me too...I would drool over Vogelbach as our future DH. In no way am I anti-Vogelbach or think he doesn't have a promising future. I love the guy. I think they could both be mashers.

I just don't know why you'd rather dream on Vogelbach panning out than Rizzo. A fully realized Rizzo is a much better player. True, but this is my fantasy. Your fantasy is based on the idea that Vogelbach has a higher offensive ceiling than Rizzo, when I don't even really think that's true. At age 20 (Vogelbach this year), Rizzo was putting up an .814 with 25 HR at A+ and AA (heavy majority being at AA), while Vogelbach put up an .824 with 19 HR at A and A+ (heavy majority being at A). So basically the same numbers at a full level higher, while having lost a year of development due to cancer treatment and STILL being ahead in his offensive progression. Rizzo then followed that up by posting a 1.056 at AAA at age 21, while Vogelbach will likely be starting next year at A+ at that age. Then at 22, an age at which Vogelbach will have to be lucky to have made it to AAA, Rizzo hit a combined 38 homers between AAA and MLB. Rizzo will likely make adjustments next year. You are letting a sophomore slump (that is partially/mostly BABIP related) make you forget about how good his track record is. Rizzo is the more attractive future option on both sides of the ball. Any dream scenario should involve Rizzo realizing the huge hitting potential he possesses, because he could be that guy hitting mammoth homers you are pining for, and he will almost certainly be better than Vogelbach. Plus, that's without even considering defense, which isn't even a discussion. Your dream for DV should be that either the NL adopts the DH in the next few years, or that he becomes a useful trade chip. Is Rizzo's offensive ceiling higher? Probably, but the real question is is he more likely to attain his ceiling than vogelbach? If Rizzo continues to be what he is, a sub 3 WAR player, it's hard not to think that Vogelbach could be better, on stick alone. Remember, this is a guy that really hasnt been in a slump, he's about as rock steady as they come at the plate, showing both patience and power with a mature approach. People love Rizzo for good reason, but he's got to show us why soon. I can't disagree with any of that, I guess I'm just more confident in Rizzo's ability to make the necessary adjustments than you are.

I know and understand that, but I still think Rizzo is/was the better prospect in general, even offensively. Like I said, Rizzo lost nearly an entire season due to cancer treatment (losing a full season without cancer is tough enough alone), and still managed to put up very impressive numbers the entire time. Theo/Jed's obsession with Rizzo also speaks volumes to me about what they think of him, so maybe that leads me to be more bullish on Rizzo going forward than I should be.

It has flaws, but it's still a pretty good way to look at it. Plus Rizzo is only a .230 hitter who can't OPS .800 due to being unlucky. Yeah, the LD% went down, but I'm guessing not enough to account for how huge the drop in his BABIP has been. I agree, Rizzo will need to make adjustments, BABIP bounce back or not, but he has always been a guy who has been praised for his makeup so I tend to believe he has a good chance to make those adjustments.

Oh God get over yourself, francis I just don't know why you'd rather dream on Vogelbach panning out than Rizzo. A fully realized Rizzo is a much better player. True, but this is my fantasy. Your fantasy is based on the idea that Vogelbach has a higher offensive ceiling than Rizzo, when I don't even really think that's true. At age 20 (Vogelbach this year), Rizzo was putting up an .814 with 25 HR at A+ and AA (heavy majority being at AA), while Vogelbach put up an .824 with 19 HR at A and A+ (heavy majority being at A). So basically the same numbers at a full level higher, while having lost a year of development due to cancer treatment and STILL being ahead in his offensive progression. Rizzo then followed that up by posting a 1.056 at AAA at age 21, while Vogelbach will likely be starting next year at A+ at that age. Then at 22, an age at which Vogelbach will have to be lucky to have made it to AAA, Rizzo hit a combined 38 homers between AAA and MLB. Rizzo will likely make adjustments next year. You are letting a sophomore slump (that is partially/mostly BABIP related) make you forget about how good his track record is. Rizzo is the more attractive future option on both sides of the ball. Any dream scenario should involve Rizzo realizing the huge hitting potential he possesses, because he could be that guy hitting mammoth homers you are pining for, and he will almost certainly be better than Vogelbach. Plus, that's without even considering defense, which isn't even a discussion. Your dream for DV should be that either the NL adopts the DH in the next few years, or that he becomes a useful trade chip.

Before the year that's probably true, but with what Baez did this year and the level he did it at, combined with Almora's injuries, idk if it's still true.

Yeah this is hopeless, but I knew that going in, so shame on me.