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Ugh, foul play :(

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and maybe we're just making sure we can't get griffey before we move on dye! yeah!

Technically, yes.

Yeah, it seems like it'd be done by now just because this isn't that big of a trade. We should ban Derwood. ;)

Boston wins apparently http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7072074

So did we get Griffey/Dunn/ARod/Gagne/Sosa/Bonds/Ichiro/Musial/Tinkers/Three Finger Brown yet?

The only day that matters: September 30th.

Tom Skilling was on the weather earlier and he said A-Rod is definitely going to be a Cub by tomorrow. Vin Scully also sent me a fax earlier and the Brewers are forfeiting the rest of their season. Seriously.

Win you bleepin' bleeps.

Wow blue, wanna go home that bad? That wasn't even close to a strike.

Everything we have hit in the air tonight has been right at them it seems.

I'm pretty sure you're making stuff up right now.

I would've done/would do whatever it takes to get Griffey. He's under contract until the end of next season, so he isn't just a rental, and he fills the hole we have in RF. He's healthy and he's probably going to end up playing more games this season than he has since 2000, his first season with the Reds, when he played 145 (he's played 98 out of 106 games; the most he's played since 2000 is 128 in 05). He gives you a 3-4-5 of Lee, Ramirez, Griffey, which is probably one of the best, if not the best, in the National League. He's still very good out in the field (although I don't really know how his arm is, I'm sure it's respectable). The team we have right now could and should win the division, but how they do in the playoffs is up in the air. The team we have right now + Griffey probably wins the pennant, if not the World Series. If Hendry and co. have a "win now" mindset, which it seems that they do, then they need to make this deal. I'd be completely willing to give up Pie in a deal for Griffey, as I feel by the time Griffey is gone, Colvin would be ready to be an every day center fielder. Adding Griffey strengthens your bench, as it shifts Floyd out of an every day role, thus keeping him more healthy. You could ship Murton off then for a solid reliever or a mid-level prospect if you aren't including him in this deal, and then you'd have a team of: OF: Soriano-Pagan/Jones-Griffey IF: Lee-DeRosa/Fontenot/Theriot-Ramirez C: Kendall/Hill (or Soto, dammit) Rest of Bench: Ward, Floyd, Cedeno SP: Z-Lilly-Marquis-Hill-Marshall RP: Dempster-Howry-Wuertz-Wood-Ohman-Marmol-Eyre/Cherry/Gallagher/new guy In my opinion, a lineup of: Soriano Theriot/Fontenot Lee Ramirez Griffey DeRosa Jones/Pagan Kendall/Hill becomes one of the best in baseball. With Griffey, you are strengthening the bench, the outfield, and somewhat closing up the offensive black hole that is the catcher position. Griffey is the guy that Hendry needs to jump all over and get.

I would kinda like to see him face AAA batters, but if he's healthy and feeling good and his velocity is up, let's get what we can out of him for if/when he dies again.

People are taking that statement far too literally. I didn't mean that the fact that his boxscore reads 0-12 is the reason to shy away. The reason to shy away is that the guy had unimpressive ABs all weekend, and from a scouting/skillset perspective did basically nothing positive. You are treating Dunn like he's a prospect. People know what they are getting with Dunn. He's going to K a lot, he's going to hit a lot of homers, and he's going to get on base. Just because he looks bad one series doesn't change that. The "book" is out on Dunn, and one weekend doesn't change the type of player he is.

I didn't think Blanco would be back until September? Did I make that up/did something change?

Question for you davhern (not to be confused with davearm). What do you think of the common practice of a team sending a scout to watch a trade target play for a few games? You know, the typical stuff you hear all the time: "trade talks between the Blackjacks and the Turbos are heating up, and this weekend the Blackjacks had a scout in Mudville to watch Slugger McLain." Is that little bit of standard operating procedure that basically every MLB team follows "completely and utterly laughable" too? If you can't realize for yourself that basing a player acquisition decision on what is done over 3 games is beyond idiotic, I don't know what else to say. You're evading the question (perhaps wisely). What I'm asking is, what is your explanation for why MLB teams base player acquisition decisions upon what scouts observe over 3 games? Is it your position that the MLB teams that engage in this activity (which seems to be all 30) are "beyond idiotic?" You do realize that scouts collect observations and data over the course of many games over many months, maybe even years, right? I highly doubt anyone makes big acquisitions based on 3 lone games.

I think we could, at the very least, get 3 or 4 good years out of Marmol. If I were to trade him off for a guy like Dye (which I would not be against at all), and he wasn't a rental and wasn't showing a large decline, I'd probably do it. But in this case, Dye being a rental and having an awful year, I wouldn't even think about it.

I've heard a few people here mention of the possibility of a 3-way deal, but who would the Braves actually be going after/giving up in this? Just curious.

Why would the Reds trade him? Because they are going nowhere, the market is thin, and Griffey's value will never be higher. They'd be fools to hang on to him. Exactly. If they are just hanging on to him for 600, then are going to trade him in the offseason or at next year's deadline, they aren't taking advantage of a big opportunity to improve their team.

Wow, good job Jimbo. I'm actually impressed by that. It's nice to see he actually sees the value that Marmol brings to this club.

Very interesting, I didn't realize he was that bad. Actual line is .206/.289/.346/.635 4 HR 12 RBI. Here's a look at past years vs. LHP: 06: .270 .393 .503 .896 11 HR 26 RBI 05: .197 .321 .463 .784 13 HR 35 RBI 04: .256 .362 .467 .829 10 HR 21 RBI 03: .202 .333 .454 .787 9 HR 25 RBI 02: .254 .385 .521 .906 11 HR 27 RBI 01: .282 .370 .592 .962 6 HR 14 RBI This is obviously his worst year. I wonder what the factor is in this case. It's quite the rapid decline for a 27 year old, I wonder if it is moreso just the scenery, or if it's another factor entirely.

He did? I remember Theriot being benched for a few games to "get his stroke back". Thats all Im saying, is its time to find the new "hot hand" because right now its not Fontenot. Let him sit for a few days, and see if Ronny can be the "hot hand" and ride it untill its over. It seems thats all we have been doing at 2nd and SS is riding those hot hands, and right now Fontenot is ice cold. Hmm, you are probably right. I forget so much when I'm away from Illinois and don't get to watch the Cubs as much.