I guess I can agree on Roethlisberger, although I don't know what he actually learned from his coaches other than staying alive until coverage breaks down. Warner, Rivers -- Whisenhunt just took over already developed QBs. He didn't really do much. I think he's a better idea than most of Detroit's coaching hires, though. He did put together 2 playoff seasons using a veteran QB in Arizona. He'd be expected to do essentially the same thing in Detroit, with what seems like a similar formula.