Someone on a MLIVE account made a comparison between Hoke's tenure at Michigan and Charlie Weiss when he was at ND. Early over-achievement. Initial recruiting success. Big time hires at coordinators. Never really advanced that much. Recruiting fell off after a couple of yrs. Hammered in the ND/Mich game I have come off the ledge a little over MSU's collapse last night against Oregon. I still think they can compete with the big boys. However, that loss combined with the B1Gs awful day may have eliminated them from getting a shot at the playoff, even if they win out. That is my fear, that Michigan is the new Notre Dame. They used to be consistent for years to the point where it was newsworthy if they dropped out of the top 25 for a week. Now this will almost certainly be the first year that they are not ranked at least one week for an entire season (including preseason rankings) since the 60's. They are still getting the recruits, because they are Michigan, and they still have years like they did a couple years ago when they win the Sugar Bowl, but inbetween there is a lot of mediocrity and coaching turmoil. Some of it is the changing landscape of college football and the location of top talent, some of it is probably not finding the right coach who can both recruit and coach, but its a mess right now in Ann Arbor.