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Chad Qualls had an ERA above 7 last year and netted the Rays a supplemental pick. Brad Hawpe was released by the Rockies with a month left in the season. The Rays picked him up, paid him ~75K for 46 replacement level PAs and netted a supplemental pick.

Imagine if the Pirates and Royals didn't essentially get skipped in the 2nd round this year as punishment for not having good enough free agents on their team.

He was physically incapable of playing 1B by that point.

Because when you're talking Hall of Fame you're discussing their spot in baseball history. If the DH is the only thing keeping the guy on the field/stopping them from being an abomination in the field then it needs to be held against him. You can't assume "the DH is the only thing keeping the guy on the field/stopping them from being an abomination in the field". That isn't fair. I can certainly do it with people for whom the DH is the only thing keeping the guy on the field/stopping them from being an abomination in the field.

LFs have to perform at a much higher offensive level because they're relatively worthless with the glove. DHs are literally worthless defensively, therefore they should have to perform at absurd levels to be HOF-worthy.

Because when you're talking Hall of Fame you're discussing their spot in baseball history. If the DH is the only thing keeping the guy on the field/stopping them from being an abomination in the field then it needs to be held against him.

I don't think Ortiz could've stayed healthy in the field. Thomas and Thome both would have about 3-4 seasons chopped off their careers. When Philly was trading Thome they were only looking at AL teams because he was incapable of playing 1B at that point.

Thome belongs, but he added a lot of counting stats due to the luxury of having a DH. He's sitting at ~1700 H and 430 HRs without those DH years.

As I said earlier, if we're inducting, no questions asked, every guy clearly better than the worst, we're going to have to add 200 guys pretty much immediately.

Eyeballing it, I don't see an advantage to big or small market teams. The system certainly needs to be overhauled in some fashion when Rafael Soriano is worth the same compensation as Cliff Lee.

The general flow of free agents is away from smaller teams and toward bigger teams, making the net effect bigger on smaller teams. Additionally, there aren't a lot of ways for a smaller market team to win. Bigger teams have all sorts of flexibility. Smaller teams, who actually try, would be more dependant on that flow back of comp picks. 2010 Supplemental picks Kaleb Cowart (Angels-1) - Pick from Mariners as compensation for Free Agent Chone Figgins Michael Foltynewicz (Astros-1) - Pick from Tigers as compensation for Free Agent Jose Valverde Kolbrin Vitek (Red Sox-1) - Pick from Braves as compensation for Free Agent Billy Wagner Cameron Bedrosian (Angels-1) - Pick from Red Sox as compensation for Free Agent John Lackey Michael Kvasnicka (Astros-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Jose Valverde Aaron Sanchez (Blue Jays-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Marco Scutaro Matt Lipka (Braves-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Mike Gonzalez Bryce Brentz (Red Sox-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Billy Wagner Taylor Lindsey (Angels-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Chone Figgins Anthony Ranaudo (Red Sox-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Jason Bay Ryan Bolden (Angels-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent John Lackey Asher Wojciechowski (Blue Jays-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Rod Barajas Drew Vettleson (Rays-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Gregg Zaun Taijuan Walker (Mariners-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Adrian Beltre Nick Castellanos (Tigers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Brandon Lyon Luke Jackson (Rangers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Ivan Rodriguez Seth Blair (Cardinals-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Mark DeRosa Peter Tago (Rockies-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Jason Marquis Chance Ruffin (Tigers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Fernando Rodney Michael Olt (Rangers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Marlon Byrd Tyrell Jenkins (Cardinals-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Joel Pineiro Todd Cunningham (Braves-2) - Pick from Orioles as compensation for Free Agent Mike Gonzalez Brandon Workman (Red Sox-2) - Pick from Mets as compensation for Free Agent Jason Bay Justin Nicolino (Blue Jays-2) - Pick from Red Sox as compensation for Free Agent Marco Scutaro 2009 A.J. Pollock (Diamondbacks-1) - Pick from Dodgers as compensation for Free Agent Orlando Hudson Randal Grichuk (Angels-1) - Pick from Mets as compensation for Free Agent Francisco Rodriguez Mike Trout (Angels-1) - Pick from Yankees as compensation for Free Agent Mark Teixeira Nick Franklin (Mariners-1) - Pick from Phillies as compensation for Free Agent Raul Ibanez Tim Wheeler (Rockies-1) - Pick from Angels as compensation for Free Agent Brian Fuentes Steven Baron (Mariners-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Raul Ibanez Rex Brothers (Rockies-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Brian Fuentes Matthew Davidson (Diamondbacks-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Orlando Hudson Aaron Miller (Dodgers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Derek Lowe James Paxton (Blue Jays-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent A.J. Burnett Josh Phegley (White Sox-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Orlando Cabrera Kentrail Davis (Brewers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent CC Sabathia Tyler Skaggs (Angels-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Mark Teixeira Chris Owings (Diamondbacks-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Juan Cruz Garrett Richards (Angels-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Francisco Rodriguez Bradley Boxberger (Reds-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Jeremy Affeldt Tanner Scheppers (Rangers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Milton Bradley Michael Belfiore (Diamondbacks-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Brandon Lyon Matthew Bashore (Twins-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Dennys Reyes Kyle Heckathorn (Brewers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Brian Shouse Tyler Kehrer (Angels-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Jon Garland Blake Smith (Dodgers-2) - Pick from Braves as compensation for Free Agent Derek Lowe Eric Smith (Diamondbacks-2) - Pick from Royals as compensation for Free Agent Juan Cruz Trayce Thompson (White Sox-2) - Pick from Athletics as compensation for Free Agent Orlando Cabrera Max Walla (Brewers-2) - Pick from NYA as compensation for Free Agent CC Sabathia Robbie Shields (Mets-3) - Pick from NYA as compensation for Free Agent A.J. Burnett Jake Marisnick (Blue Jays-3) - Pick from NYA as compensation for Free Agent A.J. Burnett 2008 Ike Davis (Mets-1) - Pick from Braves as compensation for Free Agent Tom Glavine Carlos Gutierrez (Twins-1) - Pick from Angels as compensation for Free Agent Torii Hunter Shooter Hunt (Twins-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Torii Hunter Jake Odorizzi (Brewers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Francisco Cordero Zach Collier (Phillies-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Aaron Rowand Evan Frederickson (Brewers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Scott Linebrink Conor Gillaspie (Giants-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Pedro Feliz Jordan Lyles (Astros-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Trever Miller Lance Lynn (Cardinals-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Troy Percival Brett DeVall (Braves-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Ron Mahay Ryan Flaherty (Cubs-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Jason Kendall Wade Miley (Diamondbacks-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Livan Hernandez Jeremy Bleich (Yankees-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Luis Vizcaino Bryan Price (Red Sox-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Eric Gagne Logan Forsythe (Padres-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Doug Brocail Anthony Gose (Phillies-2) - Pick from Giants as compensation for Free Agent Aaron Rowand 2007 Kevin Ahrens (Blue Jays-1) - Pick from Rangers as compensation for Free Agent Frank Catalanotto Blake Beavan (Rangers-1) - Pick from Astros as compensation for Free Agent Carlos Lee Chris Withrow (Dodgers-1) - Pick from Red Sox as compensation for Free Agent Julio Lugo Tim Alderson (Giants-1) - Pick from Dodgers as compensation for Free Agent Jason Schmidt Michael Main (Rangers-1) - Pick from Angels as compensation for Free Agent Gary Matthews Wendell Fairley (Giants-1) - Pick from Mets as compensation for Free Agent Moises Alou Josh Smoker (Nationals-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Alfonso Soriano Nick Noonan (Giants-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Moises Alou Jon Gilmore (Braves-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Danys Baez Todd Frazier (Reds-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Rich Aurilia Julio Borbon (Rangers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Carlos Lee Clayton Mortensen (Cardinals-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Jeff Suppan Travis d'Arnaud (Phillies-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent David Dellucci Brett Cecil (Blue Jays-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Justin Speier James Adkins (Dodgers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Julio Lugo Kellen Kulbacki (Padres-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Woody Williams Sean Doolittle (Athletics-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Barry Zito Eddie Kunz (Mets-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Roberto Hernandez Jackson Williams (Giants-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Jason Schmidt Neil Ramirez (Rangers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Gary Matthews Justin Jackson (Blue Jays-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Frank Catalanotto Drew Cumberland (Padres-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Dave Roberts Nathan Vineyard (Mets-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Chad Bradford Josh Donaldson (Cubs-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Juan Pierre Michael Burgess (Nationals-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Jose Guillen Wes Roemer (Diamondbacks-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Craig Counsell Charlie Culberson (Giants-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Mike Stanton Matt Mangini (Mariners-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Gil Meche Kyle Lotzkar (Reds-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Scott Schoeneweis Tommy Hunter (Rangers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Mark DeRosa Nick Hagadone (Red Sox-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Alex Gonzalez Trystan Magnuson (Blue Jays-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Ted Lilly Mitch Canham (Padres-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Chan Ho Park Jon Bachanov (Angels-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Adam Kennedy Corey Brown (Athletics-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Frank Thomas Brandon Hamilton (Tigers-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Jamie Walker Ed Easley (Diamondbacks-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Miguel Batista Ryan Dent (Red Sox-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Keith Foulke Cory Luebke (Padres-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Alan Embree Danny Payne (Padres-1s) - Supplemental Pick for loss of Free Agent Ryan Klesko Jordan Zimmermann (Nationals-2) - Pick from Cubs as compensation for Free Agent Alfonso Soriano Josh Fields (Braves-2) - Pick from Orioles as compensation for Free Agent Danys Baez David Kopp (Cardinals-2) - Pick from Brewers as compensation for Free Agent Jeff Suppan Grant Desme (Athletics-2) - Pick from Giants as compensation for Free Agent Barry Zito Scott Moviel (Mets-2) - Pick from Indians as compensation for Free Agent Roberto Hernandez Eric Sogard (Padres-2) - Pick from Astros as compensation for Free Agent Woody Williams Eric Eiland (Blue Jays-2) - Pick from Angels as compensation for Free Agent Justin Speier Eric Niesen (Mets-3) - Pick from Orioles as compensation for Free Agent Chad Bradford Scott Carroll (Reds-3) - Pick from Giants as compensation for Free Agent Rich Aurilia Brandon Workman (Phillies-3) - Pick from Indians as compensation for Free Agent David Dellucci

It's pretty much assumed the NCAA will never use the death penalty again after seeing what happened to SMU.

Maybe I'll take a longer look at it after work, but my recollection was that the big market teams benefitted more because they had the bigger name free agents. (Some possibly coming over via trade from those small market teams. On top of it, if you have the #1 draft pick in a given year, it's unlikely you've got any A or B free agents to gain compensation from. So now you have the #1 pick in the draft, and rather than your 2nd round pick being #31 overall, your 2nd round pick is #61.

Maybe you shouldn't have cheated.

Big market teams don't lose free agents? Draft pick compensation is more helpful to the big markets than the small.

In just the past decade the Cubs have suffered through Todd Hundley, Moises Alou, Milton Bradley, and whoever you want to blame for the Steve Stone stuff. The effect on attendance has been zero. There is no reason to think Carlos Zambrano is the tipping point for fans. ETA: Forgot about the demonization of Sosa ETA: Do Latroy Hawkins and Jacque Jones count?

It has no other redeeming qualities. Even its promos irritate me. Exactly. Not having Cubs games on WGN has sucked for me. Not everybody gets a job where their favorite sports team is located. I get to watch the occasional WGN night game and once in a while a Sunday Night game. I think I've seen maybe 5 or 6 games on TV in the past 3 years. MLBTV I've been tempted, but worry about A)Blackout rules and B) My internet connection SUCKS. We have a very old infrastructure that needs updated badly. They're slowly making headway, but until then, I usually lose connection about every 10-15 minutes. I feel like I'm in 1995. You shouldn't be concerned with blackout rules in St. Louis. All you'll have to put up with is Cardinals announcers during Cubs/Cards games.

It is a different time and place from when WGN helped them draw in a nationwide audience. Exposure in a starved market is how they capitalized on that issue. But that era is over. Keeping them on WGN isn't just a hit to the short-term bottom line, it's bad for long-term business. The nationwide presence is there. And it's not going anywhere, unless they just lose every season. Would anybody actually watch WGN if it weren't for the Cubs? Bulls. And for the godforsaken of the world, Blackhawks. Strike that, reverse it.

It has no other redeeming qualities. Even its promos irritate me. Exactly. Not having Cubs games on WGN has sucked for me. Not everybody gets a job where their favorite sports team is located. I get to watch the occasional WGN night game and once in a while a Sunday Night game. I think I've seen maybe 5 or 6 games on TV in the past 3 years. MLBTV

Looks like a slightly better version of the offensive lines I'd put together when we'd do fantasy drafts in college.

Et tu Len?

I would bet that if you had a who would you want to leave first poll between those 3 Z would win for better or for worse. Right now maybe, but the mind of a meatball can only think clearly for so long. Take that poll on October 1st, and I'm guessing Hendry and Quade run away with it.

Yeah, but how can you secure another home run hire like Frank Haith this late in the game?

A lot of people gave up on the NBA in the early 2000s. Why did those other fans give up if they didn't have to suffer through the irreparable horror of watching Ron Artest get angry in their team's laundry?

This is a much bigger issue now than it was during the great 2nd round dynasty of the 90s Pacers.