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wasnt prado tied to the tigers earlier this off season? Wasnt there a delmon young for prado swap turned down by the braves earlier..seems like i remember reading that. Maybe byrd to the braves for prado and flip prado to the tigers with garza for turner+castellanos++? really quiet right now...need something to happen!

yea.. CC Kuroda Nova Pineda Hughes garcia/swing is pretty stout rotation with that offense. great deals for the yankees

well if you believe dombrowski(which i dont :) garza to detroit aint happening... would like to see the rockies tied to garza..they got a couple of young arms in white and pomeranz ( ptbnl comes into play) i would like to build around...throw in seth smith and trade soriano for a bag of navel lint. outfield of: LF-smith RF-Dejesus CF-Byrd. move byrd to wash or atlanta for specs and insert dejesus into CF and Bjaxx in Rf. pretty decent of defense and solid lefty bats to build around. White and pomeranz would look nice in our rotation for a few years..just a thought...flame away

so i thought about writing this in depth analysis of theo and the direction of the team so here goes: WTF is going on?

i dont think the rangers are in the running for darvish so they are going to need a front rotation guy. i kno wthey have Ogando and moving Feliz but what if that experiment is unsuccessful? they need Garza. the guy is a stud and produced in the al east. The conversation in acquiring a front of rotation stud under team control for 2 seasons and a modest contract has to start with your best pitching prospect, hitting prospect, and 2 more mid teen rated players in your system. Not quantity but quality. The deal starts with Perez and either Olt or Profar with ramirez as a kicker i would have to believe. Perfect world the cubs net out something like this Cubs get: Rizzo, Perez, Olt, Ramirez, Hudson Rangers get: Garza+marmol Padres get: Russell+barney+rated prospect like a dolis. Cubs clear around 10-12M to use hopefully on Darvish. if not darvish then Jackson and maholm.

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well...a little disappointed in the meetings from our side but i have to trust the best FO in baseball. i do think that the "mystery team" in on pujols was us and the reason for the secrecy is if we wiffed on Pujols then we would be in on fielder. If it was known we were willing to throw around 225M at pujols then boras would use that against us. i say we get fielder at 6yrs 140-150m..maybe some club options that could stretch it to 8yrs. i just dont see anyone giving prince 10 years at his weight and physique. just a thought

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i agree that soto needs to stay put.....but he is an asset that combined with a marmol or byrd could bring a nice return. I think theo will deal from a position of strength- we dont have much of that but one area we do have depth at is the bullpen and catcher. I dont want to deal soto but to me marmol is a nice piece for a team in the right situation.

dont know why but a marmol for danks straight up reeks of kenny williams...lets get him on the horn asap

It would be tough for us to win a Danks trade battle without including BJax, I agree. I'm just really concerned about wear and tear on Darvish's arm and how high that posting fee might go. If we're going to miss on a high end talent this offseason, I'd rather we make sure to get one of the first basemen. For that reason, I'd want to ensure that a posting fee in the neighborhood of Daisuke's wouldn't interfere with the pursuit of Pujols/Prince. marmol for danks straight up- would you pull the trigger on that? i would have to think about doing that.

Looking at Cot's, Hafner's 13M is a team option with a 2.75M buyout, so they're only on the hook for a couple million beyond next year. youre right TT,,must have read that wrong. on a side note...F the cardinals...helluva game though. Morans

I thought sanclementefan was Tim's "other" account hahaha..thats from waaaay back in the day good sir....from the "other" board...which will remain nameless to protect the innocent and moronic

well they are on the hook for hafners 13M in 2013 so they would actually save around 4M. thanks for the welcome!! looking forward to hanging out-

hello everyone. wanted to chime in on this. ive been lurking here for years..was a posting member back when tim first started out...sanclementefan hahaha.. heres some thoughts 1. i believe pujols re-ups with the cards. i hate it but i just dont see him leaving and i dont think the cards will let him go. He is Iconic in st louis. 2, i also believe fielder, although he fits the "age criteria" that theo mentioned, wont be a part of the equation either. just too big a risk with his weight/conditioning. If i were theo i wouldnt tie myself to that move/player to start his era in chicago..seems like a huge commitment. 3. CJ Wilson will be a Ranger. He likes Texas, hes a outdoor kindof guy(see his comments about gun laws) combined with the fact that they lost out on retaining Cliff Lee last offseason and they will pony up the $$ for Wilson. If i'm theo i'm thinking i won a world series with doug mienckiwiczalphabet at 1b so a prototypical "power run producer' at first really isnt a priority. One good thing about being a really bad team is there are alot of places that can be improved. We've some really bad contracts but one way to get rid of one or two of them is package them with some assets. We can all agree that next offseasons free agent class is much deeper so heres where i would start: A. Re-sign Ramirez 3/39m---Re-sign Wood 1/2m.--Re-sign Reed johnson 1/1.5m B. TRADE 1 =talk to the indians about picking up the club options they hold on sizemore(8m)+carmona(7M) and packaging them with hafner(13m). Hafners deal only runs thru 2013 @ 13 per. This opens the door for us to pursue Votto. The deal would be: Zambrano(18m)+marmol(7)+Colvin+3m for +Carmona(7m)+Hafner(13m)...basically its a money wash and we remove z and get a 1st baseman and potential starter/long reliever..saves us about 2m. Would love for them to include sizemore and us removing the 3M thus making it almost a total wash moneywise. gives cleveland a solid number 2 behind jimenez and a closer locked up for a few more years plus colvin .Not to mention that it saves them 6M+ in 2013. the Indians already have Laporta at 1st. Now granted carmona is not on the rise as he once was but he is the perfect candidate to come to the NL and benefit, plus he is under contract with club options for a couple more years so we arent married to him after 2012. Sizemore has been hurt but is said to be healthy again,,,i dont think the indians want to pay him 8m so they may let him go..if so he has to be a target. C. TRADE 2= M. BYRD, Sczur, j jax, cashner to tampa bay for upton+shields i hate to give up cashner here but you gotta give something to get something. Upton is a perfect fit for the 'theo player...skilled and young and under control till 2016. plus shields is under control for 3 years. We take on around 7M in this deal in 2012. D. sign Paul Maholm E. sign Matt Capps-2/20 these 5 transactions leave our roster looking like this OF-Soriano, Upton, Sizemore, Bjax, Johnson,campana SP-Garza, Shields,Maholm, Dempster, Wells, RP- Capps, Wood, Marshall, russell, samardzija, carmona, carpenter/dolis, INF- Castro, Barney, Ramirez, hafner, lemahieu, lahair, dewitt all these moves give us flexibility and make us competitive in 2012 i think.