LOL... a nice strong dose of hypocrisy from the self-righteous one. except he's not using r and rbi in the post you're quoting. he's not even talking about offensive production. nice try though. As measures of pitching production, W-L and ERA are as bad or even worse than R and RBI are of offensive production. It's rather sad that you needed to have that explained to you. it's a quick and dirty way to show that the trade was pointless. if you want i'm sure meph will gladly show you more advanced metrics to show how dumb it was. it's more sad that your only contribution to this thread is to take a shot at meph.