Bryants Disco Ball

That ..... No. [expletive] me.

Damn you.

Yesterday and it's not even close. Today. Only because I can't handle getting no-hit.

I laughed. Thanks. Needed that.

Yes! Now he will get tired!

Cubs have longest streak of not being no-hit, and I don't know why, but it's always been a source of pride for me.

Koufax. sept 1965.

Hahahaha. Thought the same thing.

The thing that sucks for him is that if we get him he doesn't get to pitch against us and we have no more games against the Mets left.

He's getting calls, the Cubs are swinging at other pitches that are bouncing and we are six outs away.

Oh [expletive]. I'm getting nervous.

Yeah, the difference here is that Carlos Gomez is still really good. Even if you go all the way back to 2007 when Gomez was a slap hitting leadoff guy, he's still the 9th most valuable CF'er in baseball during that span. That's over the last 8 years through today. 9th. And he's only been elite level for the last two seasons. But let's just go back to 2012 when he had his breakout year and started hitting for power in the 2nd half of that year which carried over into his 7.5 win 2013... http://i.imgur.com/8PZKunZ.png 3rd best CF'er in baseball. The two above him are perennial MVP candidates and two of the greatest players of this generation. So if you wanna take franchise cornerstones and probable future HOF'ers out of the equation, Gomez has been the best CF'er among the rest of the league since 2012 up until today. So yeah, Carlos Gomez is good. Really [expletive] good. Guys like him (elite CF'ers that aren't rentals) usually don't become available outside of free agency. If Gomez is available, you get him and you extend him immediately. This is going to be such a bad reply that people won't respect............but just watch him for a good amount of time. Just watch. He's not as good as you think he is, and the past accomplishments don't mean anything moving forward. I remember in September of Pujols' free agent year remarking here on how after watching him, he just didn't look the same. And of course, nobody agreed. Why would they? The black and white numbers all showed he was the man. I'm not sure how many Brewers games you can or would even want to watch. But unfortunately, I have to. And Carlos Gomez is not that good. When I say not THAT good, it doesn't mean he's not good. It just means I think the praise he is receiving here is too high. Feel free to bump this in the future. I have no problem being wrong. But I don't think I will be. Also, one other note.....when you said that the difference is that Carlos Gomez is still really good, wasn't Upton still really good at one time? Meaning, that November when he was a free agent, wouldn't people have been able to post his WAR when anybody questioned wanting Upton for the contract he was going to get? ETA: I'd take Lo Cain over Gomez right now all day. Only problem is Cain isn't available and rumors say Gomez is. Was just responding to the comment that Gomez is the third best CF in baseball behind Trout and Cutch.

[expletive] scoring runs. Just get me one hit. Please. Don't want to deal with the text messages.

yeap maybe going with hitters that have softball swings and no real defensive position wasnt as bright an idea as going for TOR potential pitchers. I'll bet in two years you might think otherwise.

I don't want the Cubs to get no-hit today. That would suck.

It's scary that what has happened to this franchise (and especially the fans' mindset) for the last few years has caused arguing for the Cubs to sell while they are currently half a game out of the playoffs to seem like something that should be taken at face value. *There are really people who think this*. [expletive] that. I'd trade Fowler if we got a great offer. Or Montero. We just won't.

Got me, too. Just because it actually seemed like an option to discuss. Just not a good one.

Yup.

I'd imagine those guys would only fetch lottery tickets, so I'd prefer if they just kept them to not send the wrong message. That, and at least keep the option open of giving Fowler a qualifying offer. Except for Montero. To clear his 14 million each of the next few years would be OK.

This is not an overreaction game thread post because I've been thinking about this a bit and have come to terms with our offense: I'm not sure they should do either if the price is at all of any significance. (Unless it's a longer-term asset. No rentals). This offense just isn't going to be good enough for the Cubs to make the playoffs, with or without one more bat or pitcher.

Well, that and Cain is just a better baseball player. But, I respect your opinion. We just differ on just how good Gomez is. No biggie. Like Tiger alluded to, we aren't going to have to worry about it anyway. Gomez is just not their kind of player. He won't be a Cub.

Yeah, the difference here is that Carlos Gomez is still really good. Even if you go all the way back to 2007 when Gomez was a slap hitting leadoff guy, he's still the 9th most valuable CF'er in baseball during that span. That's over the last 8 years through today. 9th. And he's only been elite level for the last two seasons. But let's just go back to 2012 when he had his breakout year and started hitting for power in the 2nd half of that year which carried over into his 7.5 win 2013... http://i.imgur.com/8PZKunZ.png 3rd best CF'er in baseball. The two above him are perennial MVP candidates and two of the greatest players of this generation. So if you wanna take franchise cornerstones and probable future HOF'ers out of the equation, Gomez has been the best CF'er among the rest of the league since 2012 up until today. So yeah, Carlos Gomez is good. Really [expletive] good. Guys like him (elite CF'ers that aren't rentals) usually don't become available outside of free agency. If Gomez is available, you get him and you extend him immediately. This is going to be such a bad reply that people won't respect............but just watch him for a good amount of time. Just watch. He's not as good as you think he is, and the past accomplishments don't mean anything moving forward. I remember in September of Pujols' free agent year remarking here on how after watching him, he just didn't look the same. And of course, nobody agreed. Why would they? The black and white numbers all showed he was the man. I'm not sure how many Brewers games you can or would even want to watch. But unfortunately, I have to. And Carlos Gomez is not that good. When I say not THAT good, it doesn't mean he's not good. It just means I think the praise he is receiving here is too high. Feel free to bump this in the future. I have no problem being wrong. But I don't think I will be. Also, one other note.....when you said that the difference is that Carlos Gomez is still really good, wasn't Upton still really good at one time? Meaning, that November when he was a free agent, wouldn't people have been able to post his WAR when anybody questioned wanting Upton for the contract he was going to get? ETA: I'd take Lo Cain over Gomez right now all day.

......or being traded.

I realize I'm in the minority, but I don't really want Gomez and I actually think he'd be a player many would get frustrated at. I understand how great his WAR was for a few seasons, but he's just not as good as the package it would take to get him. I don't know what his defense rates out, but if you watch him on a fairly regular basis, you can see how bad of angles he takes on balls and how many Castro-type errors he makes where you're like, "WTF?" He also has to be one of the worst overall base runners I've ever seen, and his injury history is starting to build a bit. I'm not saying he wouldn't be an upgrade, but I figure the Brewers will want a lot and I just don't see him being worth it. Again, though, I acknowledge I'm in the minority. Hell, I might be the only one who doesn't want him. I'd rather just get Parra from them for a B-level prospect. Trading for Parra leaves us with a hole in CF for next year. Gomez is a superior player and signed through next year at a reasonable cost. I'd rather sign a Parra-type next year and keep the prospects to trade for somebody else.

I realize I'm in the minority, but I don't really want Gomez and I actually think he'd be a player many would get frustrated at. I understand how great his WAR was for a few seasons, but he's just not as good as the package it would take to get him. I don't know what his defense rates out, but if you watch him on a fairly regular basis, you can see how bad of angles he takes on balls and how many Castro-type errors he makes where you're like, "WTF?" He also has to be one of the worst overall base runners I've ever seen, and his injury history is starting to build a bit. I'm not saying he wouldn't be an upgrade, but I figure the Brewers will want a lot and I just don't see him being worth it. Again, though, I acknowledge I'm in the minority. Hell, I might be the only one who doesn't want him. I'd rather just get Parra from them for a B-level prospect. He's been worth 16.2 fWAR the previous three seasons so the whole "I know his WAR was good for a few seasons" thing is referring to literally his previous three years. And even in a nagging injury riddled "down year" he's probably gonna be worth 3+ fWAR before the year is over. He IS worth the package it would probably take to get him. As such, he is my #1 target on my wish list. 1) Carlos Gomez 2a) David Price 2b) Cole Hamels 3) Ben Zobrist 4) Gerardo Parra 5) Justin Upton What was BJ Upton worth the year he became a free agent? I actually don't know, but I bet all his WAR was awesome the previous years too. Maybe not.