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but tht's not what you said. you said- so because of his good-but-not-great season last season at an extremely youn age you're not giving him a chance of being great? that makes no sense. i'm not pumping up vitters and of course i'd trade him for vitters. i just don't understand why you're not giving him a chance, especially considering he was pretty good last year. and he didnt turn 19 until the end of the season youre focusing on the wrong thing, which unless you merely just like to argue i dont know why. this all spiraled far away from the original point -- that vitters shouldn't be a deal breaker in acquiring jake peavy. so i'm not allowed to reply to posts you make if they aren't the original point you made? isn't this a message board? you can do whatever you want. just seems that youre looking for something to argue about. constantly.
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but tht's not what you said. you said- so because of his good-but-not-great season last season at an extremely youn age you're not giving him a chance of being great? that makes no sense. i'm not pumping up vitters and of course i'd trade him for vitters. i just don't understand why you're not giving him a chance, especially considering he was pretty good last year. and he didnt turn 19 until the end of the season youre focusing on the wrong thing, which unless you merely just like to argue i dont know why. this all spiraled far away from the original point -- that vitters shouldn't be a deal breaker in acquiring jake peavy.
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single game tickets go on sale 2/20
cubbinalltheway replied to cubbinalltheway's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Seriously? I didn't get an e-mail... :( You'd be better off buying tickets on the secondary market then getting that plan. it's not THAT bad of a plan. i was actually pretty pleasantly surprised with the choices. a sox game, brewers game, cards game, dodgers game, a few friday games... i think i only had to buy one or two non-friday games/non-rival or good game (pirates or astros game or something, i think it was) -
19, but whatever. i just dont consider an 860 OPS in A ball to be enough to be a deal breaker on a jake peavy trade.
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Kerry Wood's full page ad in the Sunday Tribune.
cubbinalltheway replied to C.C.'s topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
there really isn't that much to see. the original post has the words that were on the page (at the top of it). at the bottom are three pictures. from left to right -- him signing his paperwork to become a cub, a photo of him during the 20k game, and then a random shot of him throwing in 08. in the center is him with his hand in the air waiting to high five geo seconds after clinching the division, with zambrano and others running onto the field in the background. i'm going off of memory so that might be slightly off. it's not the scan that you guys are all requesting, but it's the next best thing. -
single game tickets go on sale 2/20
cubbinalltheway replied to cubbinalltheway's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
they sold 13 game plans last week -
nor is that sentence realistic.
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who's more likely to improve, the 34 year old derosa or the 28 year old fontenot? i like derosa a whole lot too, but your post is pretty silly. who is more likely to improve the 30 year old gregg or the 25 year old gaudin? maybe baseball message board posting isn't for you. it's not a choice of gregg vs. gaudin though. they can both be in the pen. unless youre talking about a specific role. in which case they will battle it out in ST for that role. message board posting is for me, thanks. need something to pass the time between 8 and 5.
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cool tell me more. who's going to win the world series?
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who's more likely to improve, the 34 year old derosa or the 28 year old fontenot? i like derosa a whole lot too, but your post is pretty silly.
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pujols vs. marquis and hampton. i think i'd take pujols.
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single game tickets go on sale 2/20
cubbinalltheway replied to cubbinalltheway's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
so the day that you get your wrist band isnt the same day that you buy tickets? that's the part i couldn't remember. -
the vast majority of prospects ultimately are busts though. The vast majority aren't extremely well thought of. Vitters is much more highly regarded than most prospects. That doesn't mean he'll necessarily turn into anything, but he still has a greater shot than most. The vast majority of good to great teams out there get a strong aid from their minor league system. Unless you're the Yankees and can throw $250 million around, there are going to be spots that you must fill with cheap talent. That's where the farm system is most important. i don't disagree with any of that. you dont have to try and convince me of the importance of producing talent from the farm. i'm already convinced. but again, you dont let a kid who's never been above A ball (and frankly wasnt overly impressive in A ball) be a deal breaker in a potential jake peavy acquisition. I guess the biggest problem I had was that you seemed to not give Vitters any chance of being great - hence the Kevin Orie reference. The likelihood of busts is the reason you stack your farm as much as possible - in the event that a number of them bust. when we're talking about a guy who was fairly average in A ball, why should i give him any chance of being great? when speaking about trading him or not trading him for a proven great player, that is.
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the vast majority of prospects ultimately are busts though. The vast majority aren't extremely well thought of. Vitters is much more highly regarded than most prospects. That doesn't mean he'll necessarily turn into anything, but he still has a greater shot than most. The vast majority of good to great teams out there get a strong aid from their minor league system. Unless you're the Yankees and can throw $250 million around, there are going to be spots that you must fill with cheap talent. That's where the farm system is most important. i don't disagree with any of that. you dont have to try and convince me of the importance of producing talent from the farm. i'm already convinced. but again, you dont let a kid who's never been above A ball (and frankly wasnt overly impressive in A ball) be a deal breaker in a potential jake peavy acquisition.
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the vast majority of prospects ultimately are busts though.
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this part certainly seemed otherwise, and is why i thought you were comparing them......... 1)The Cubs aren't as good as the Yankees right now (The Cubs would be the 4th best team in the AL East). 2)If the Cubs regress, their resources can't make up that difference like the Yankees can. we watched the Cubs regress in in '05 and '06 and couldn't get to .500. the Yankees struggle and they end at 85 wins.
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The thing with Vitters, though, is that he could be the next Kevin Orie or he could be the next Aramis Ramirez/David Wright/etc. That's the inherent risk you take when trading a youngster. i realize that. my whole point is that you can't let a risk hold you back from acquiring a jake peavy. if we're talking about an average to above average pitcher, then maybe you don't trade vitters. but we're talking about one of the game's best. you absolutely take a risk to acquire him.
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what are you talking about? i'm not arguing who is better, the cubs or the yankees. youre right that the cubs have been embarrassed two straight years. but the mission of a gm is to field a team that can get you to the postseason, then hope that that team plays its best ball then. let's go back to my original comment, that if the only hold up to getting a recent cy young winner is some kid who might be the next kevin orie then the cubs are fools not to make the trade. you replied saying that that type of thinking is what got the yankees to where they are today........ the yankees, where they are today, are a terrific organization that does not accept not making the playoffs. it was a very bad comparison.
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The Yankees have regressed since the late 90s, they're definitely not as good as they were and part of the problem is how they have changed. so what? the fact is, they still make the playoffs every single year (aside from once in the last 14 years). it's a pretty poor analogy.
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The Cubs definitely need pitching prospects, just that what they rec'd from Clev. wouldn't classify as anything elite or worth holding onto. That type of thinking is what led the Yankees to where they've been for the last 5 years and not something the Cubs have the capacity to do. While I would have no problem in this case of Vitters being involved for Peavy, they should factor the state of the pipeline and what blue-chip guys are being included even if that player will help the Cubs. They trade Vitters and the cubs have maybe the worst farm in the game, espec. if Samardzija does spend the year in the Cubs' pen. the playoffs? "that type of thinking" has put them in the playoffs 13 out of the last 14 years. if trading vitters leads up to that then i'm more in favor than ever.
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My big hope is that somehow Hendry can get Peavy without giving up Vitters. Dont bet on it. Vitters would probably be the cornerstone of the deal. who cares? if it takes a minor league prospect to get a cy young winner, do it. vitters might be the next pie. its dumb to not acquire a cy young pitcher because of some kid that's never played at the major league level.
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thought others would like to know this. can someone refresh my memory of the wrist band system?
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Northwestern/Illinois Football game at Wrigley?
cubbinalltheway replied to cubswin2009's topic in Other Sports
better draw? nw vs. illinois will sell out, no doubt. i think any d-1 game would. to me its about two crappy, non storied college fb teams playing at baseball's most storied ballpark. just doesn't seem right. -
kevin gregg is one creepy looking guy mike fontenot is one ugly looking guy is that a flip phone on soriano's belt?
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Northwestern/Illinois Football game at Wrigley?
cubbinalltheway replied to cubswin2009's topic in Other Sports
that would be a pretty weak choice if they really want to have a college game at wrigley. very, very weak choice actually.