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Maybe to keep the National shows on NFLN and the ESPN/Fox/CBS/NBC channels who pay for national rights happy and get more viewers on them? Idk, it’s dumb. But maybe something protect their big national partners and keep more eyes/ad dollars on them.

PUT IN JAMEIS YOU COWARDS

Has a play with Tasyum Hill ever worked? One shitty shotgun run tonight and a dropped pass

Washington pulled the plug on Haskins already, Kyle Allen is starting.

Pretty sure he went to Korea or Japan for a few years and added some velo

Cam tested positive Thursday or Friday so they pushed the Pats-Chiefs game back to make sure no other Pats had it. Nobody else tested positive.

Teams and players also can’t use the 2020 season to make arguments in their arb cases, MLB/MLBPA agreed to that before the year. So that benefits Schwarbs, Baez and Bryant to get more using past years as the only basis. Bryant (~$18 mil), Baez (~$10 mil), Schwarbs (~$7 mil) and Contreras (~$4.5 mil) accounted for ~$40 mil last year. That number probably jumps to ~$60 this year Bryant (~$25 mil), Baez (~$15 mil), Schwarbs (~$10 mil), Willy (~$7 mil).

Bote's $3 million against the LT which is > no money. What's nominal trade value here? He's an infielder in his 20s at a non-1B position with some power and patience and 4 years at low prices left. In an offseason in which most players will be defined by salary and control, what's not to like about that position? So long as they're shopping realistically, not every move has to be The One that will save The Future, there's no reason to think they couldn't get a desirable enough pitcher in a deal. Same thing for Slaps, the league is still short on CFs and he's cheap, young, and under control for multiple seasons As far as the payroll stuff...You're talking lopping an additional ~$30 million on top of the at least $30 million coming off after going from 3rd in payroll in 2019 to 7th in 2020...That just doesn't add up IMO and I'm not even calling for a $190-200+ payroll, which would require some $100+ million being added to what's already committed in 2021 according to MLBTR The MLBTR estimate doesn’t have arb. So that’s wrong. I also don’t know how they factor in options, if it’s just buyout money or assume option is exercised. Would think it’s just buyout money since that’s the guaranteed amount. So their estimate might not have Rizzo’s option but does have Jon’s buyout. We are at ~$160 payroll wise right now and ~$190 LT wise adding arb guys in and picking up Rizzo option/doing Lester buyout (so $10-20 mil to spend to stay under the LT). So yeah that’s the payroll you are calling for if you aren’t willing to do a Schwarbs/Kimbrel move and want to keep every non Willy guy potentially. I just don’t see them being willing to be much higher than where they are today. If you think you can get something for Bote cool, I’m for it. But again LOL at thinking Almora is bringing anything back. He’s horsefeathering terrible and costs ~$2 mil this year.

Yeah they have about $40 mil in room but I’d find it hard to believe they’re going to run up close to the just under the LT number again this year. I’d love for them to do it and they absolutely should. I just expect they’re going to stay more in the $155-170 range payroll wise. Which is pretty much where we are at with the current roster after adding in arbitration.

I think all of these things are more "on the table" than on the table. It's dramatic and we want that, yes, but also crazy inefficient and too driven by emotion Trading guys like Contreras, Bote, Almora, fringe pitchers (Underwood, Maples, Miller) makes much more sense - still talking $10+ million off a payroll that's already dropping several ML contracts (Chatwood, Quintana, Lester?, Kipnis, Souza, whoever I'm forgetting) The money falling off of guys leaving isn’t enough to do any real adds. They almost certainly are going to be running a lower payroll in 2021 and be well below the LT. They won’t be close to anywhere we were in 2020-2019 in terms of payroll/LT. You need to clear more money than just the “money falling off” to really add anything. Right now Spotrac has us at $110 mil before arb, I’d assume after adding arb in is where we are going to end up payroll wise overall ($160-170 mil) on the year. We aren’t touching that $190-200+ range we have been. They need to do a Schwarbs NT, Willy trade and Kimbrel (at least partial money) trade to clear any decent amount of FA money. lol at the idea of trading Bote or Almora accomplishing this. Bote makes no money for 1, he should be kept and has nominal trade value and looking to trade Almora over just non-tendering him is a waste of time just NT him. But yes, if we assume they can somehow spend to just below the LT and the goal is to just not be third time repeaters then I wouldn’t do any of these moves except maybe the Schwarbs one and of course the Albert one.

Yeah I just hope we put ourselves in a spot to be able to spend $25-40 mil in FA. Call it adding or reshuffling. But to do that it probably requires moving Willy for some prospects, non-tendering Schwarbs and moving Kimbrel and part of his $ at least. Also the KB NT is probably on the table. The FA market is going to be so depressed and there’s going to be a lot of intriguing non-tenders I just hope whatever the plan is it allows us to add some stuff in it to more re-tool than blow it up (though we do need healthy turnover because the team is broke with the makeup and redundancies) because we will still likely be the best team in the division going in to next year.

Can be disappointed by the results of the last 3 years but still appreciative overall and realize he still did a pretty damn good job and accomplished exactly what he was brought in for. The farm isn’t in that bad of a spot and a lot of the overall infrastructure he had to build from scratch is still here with revamping things from the Hendry era (which undoubtably any new guy or even Jed will have changes towards and hopefully improve, but the foundation is in a much better spot now vs when Hendry was out). There really isn’t considerable money past this year unless there’s extensions. Yu, Heyward, Hendricks, Happ, Willy, Bote, Nico, and some of the cheaper pitchers are the only guys around after 21. The team should be able to spend by going in to the 2022 and 23 seasons even if they don’t go up against the LT (or whatever the new CBA brings). Failing to develop pitching was the downfall but that’s the hardest thing to do in baseball (not an excuse, just facts) along with going with the pitch ability guys over velo when the whole league was going for velo. It also was by design during the main push and focusing more on pitching from 2012-2015 in drafts maybe it doesn’t net us a ring. The core stagnating, being too redundant with approach and thinking they would just grow and adapt and be able to grow their approach vs pulling the plug on a guy or two to have a deeper/more diverse offense also isn’t wise with hindsight. I’m most interested to know what really happened with budgets and spending, was he really promised there would always be money to spend and then the rug was pulled due to Rickett’s/Crane’s incompetence with developing around the park, renovations, TV deal, and being greedy? Or did Theo just spend knowing money might not always be there and did it anyways at risk of not being able to add the last 2-3 years thinking he could talk them in to things and never could? Maybe Jed is fine but I’d prefer we poach someone from the Rays, Yankees or Dodgers when Theo goes (be it this year or next).

didnt you say you wanted a full rebuild? I see a lot of cubs fans talking about a full teardown and rebuild while also saying they want to keep hendricks and darvish. if you're doing a full rebuild, those are like the first 2 guys to go. I think the only way you keep darvish is if you plan on competing no later than 2022 (while trying a yankee style reboot). and even then you should probably still trade him now, considering his age and health history. basically the only way it makes sense to keep yu is if we're trying to win next year, which I think we should be doing. just with a completely different offense. I said a lot of things. Do whatever, it probably doesn’t matter. There probably aren’t the moves to be much better next year. But still enough to win this horsefeathers division. There are moves to do a soft rebuild this offseason and head in to the 2021-22 offseason with money to spend in a great FA class, but that also requires Yu and Hendricks to still be good then.

They are fucked. It’s over. It doesn’t matter. They are done. 2022 is the best chance they have if they can clear some money and not commit any money past. They should hit a firm reset this offseason and just bottom out. Non-tender Schwarbs, don’t give Rizzo a big deal and don’t pick up the option, trade KB for 40 cents on the dollar, etc burn it down. horsefeathers em all.

Tear it down and rebuild

horsefeathers them all

He also is pushing a reliever to a second inning, after getting out of an inning who never really has gone 1+ before. He’s been really bad at that too. These are traditional 1 inning/appearance guys. They aren’t use to the coming in and sitting then going back out stuff.

he's the one guy that'll have real value in a trade I was thinking the same thing. Him and Contreras were the only 2 guys with more than a year of control left that showed any pulse offensively. We will probably have to give up one if not both of them to get any meaningful value in a trade. But of course that would deplete the offense and it might be even worse next year if guys like Javy and KB dont bounce back enough. I just can't help think that with no payroll room, declining value on almost all of our ML hitters, and not a ton available on the farm for trade or for roster improvement, rebuilding might ultimately be our fastest way out of this mess. Of course if we do that Theo won't be around to oversee it so I'm sure he will just keep everyone here and hope that the offense amazingly bounces back, though will still have all the major glaring issues its showed for 3+ seasons. Clear everyone, even if it’s 40 cents on the dollar (non tender if you must) outside of Yu and Kyle. Put yourself in a spot to sign some of the 2022 FA loaded class guys.

Let it out, this is how we go out and the core is done.

horsefeathers off Ross

Why the horsefeathers is Rizzo playing there? There’s two outs, that’s a GB out if he’s back

Blow it up outside of everyone but Yu and Hendricks

Score runs, idiots

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