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It would seem prerty crazy for them not to. But it’s also pretty ridiculous that the initial plan was to have only Caritini and Gimenez as the backup options all year

That was one of the ugliest (non injured) Zobrist ABs I think I’ve ever seen him have in his time here

That’s a mighty fine Dong, Javy

He should be off the team

horsefeathers off Caritini

Hamels you wizard

Alright that mostly makes up for that dumb first inning

What a stupid horsefeathering inning

Lol

How deep was Happ playing?

I look forward to finding out the root of the problem in October after his 3rd MRI https://twitter.com/carriemuskat/status/1032737030609010688?s=21

I guess I can buy in to that. But when you have as much invested in a guy as they do Darvish, do the right and definitive test right away if you don’t need to cut him open but agree that when he kept saying his arm hurt the whole time after the first MRI do the MRI you know will give you the answers.

I don’t get that. Pitcher says his arm hurts, but they don’t want to do the right test because it might make the arm more sore for a while but also might not diagnose the injury so after that just keep throwing (which can make things worse and almost did). Do the definitive test first if you don’t need to cut the guy open. My sense is that a best practice would be to do the least invasive stuff first to rule out a majority of issues vs. boil the ocean. I would imagine that because a lot of things can cause arm soreness, they didn't want to go down this path. What's confusing to me is how long it took to get to this more invasive MRI, though. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Did he get better before he got worse? My view in it is that it’s a pitchers arm, if he comes and says it hurts do the test first that’s going to give you the most definitive answers. If it casues his arm to be sore a while longer because of the injection, so what. He’s already saying he hurts. If it takes 1-2 weeks longer to come back so be it. Find out exactly what’s going on as soon as possible to avoid residual injuries or misdiagnosis. I get that shouldn’t be the course of action for a common persons injury but for a pitcher who needs his arm I think it should be more drastic and pushing the envelope. Obviously if it takes cutting his arm open to figure it out I get going step by step, but if it’s a dye and delays things a bit longer if he checks out 100% so be it. You’re certain then.

I don’t get that. Pitcher says his arm hurts, but they don’t want to do the right test because it might make the arm more sore for a while but also might not diagnose the injury so after that just keep throwing (which can make things worse and almost did). Do the definitive test first if you don’t need to cut the guy open.

I saw this earlier from a Muskat article... • Yu Darvish had two MRIs before undergoing an arthrogram on Monday in Chicago, which revealed the stress reaction in his elbow. Hoyer said an arthrogram is really the last step because it's so invasive, which is why neither the Cubs' medical staff nor the Rangers' doctor Darvish saw recommended doing so earlier. "With Yu, the initial MRIs didn't show a stress reaction and we treated the symptoms," Hoyer said. "You can't just always go to the ultimate test right away. We felt we had the right information." I don't know anything about any of this so it's hard to tell if waiting so long for the arthrogram was negligent if two independent medical teams didn't push for it, but yeah this is pretty bad. Doesn't this also sound like the same thing that is going on with Morrow? I think it’s pretty negligent. Yes it the most invasive, but still didn’t require cutting him open. Do the horsefeathering right test right away when the pitcher you just gave $120 million to tells you his arm hurts to find out exactly what’s going on. This isn’t Joe Schmo off the street coming in because he has arm discomfort and you can start from the easiest tests first to figure it out. This is a precious asset that needs to be managed and needs his arm near 100% to do what you pay him to do, do the right test that’s going to give you definitive answers right away. By not doing that he almost fractured his arm. This is disgusting and I have serious doubts about our medical staff (whether directly employed or contracted with) moving forward.

Feeling great now too that they’ve properly diagnosed the Bryant, Morrow, Monty, and Russell injuries (and whoever else has come to them with a concern, Qs shoulder?) and have the proper rehab action. What a joke.

Yeah it’s probably likely he is or close to being back soon. Someone better be fired over this. It’s incompetence.

What a joke, what a horsefeathering joke. The entire training and medical staff should be under review. This is Mets like [tweet] [/tweet]

8 team, 2 QB dynasty keeper league, can keep up to 5 players. Non-PPR, no salary cap just lose 1 round up from the year before where a guy was drafted (if he was a FA he costs RD 10 pick). Already keeping Zeke (costs giving up RD1 PK 5) and Michael Thomas (RD9) need to decide to keep up to 3 of these, round of pick lost in parenthesis, Brady (RD2), Alex Smith (RD8), Wentz (RD9), Mariota (RD13), Alex Collins (RD10), McKinnon (RD10). I'm leaning Wentz, Smith and Collins. Kind of want to keep my RD 2 pick open to see who's out there, it will be pick 12 overall but probably will have up to ~7 guys kept leading up to it so may really be like having the ~5th overall pick so it's likely even Brady is there. I'm pretty set on Wentz and Collins, debate is really Smith vs Mariota (which there's some value in the pick difference). But could be swayed with some thoughts.

Wwwwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Simply put, I'd much rather have had him starting than Tyler Chatwood. It doesn't have to be Harvey, it just has to not be Chatwood. Assuming we get length out of Hamels tomorrow I’d hope we’d start Chavez on Friday and try to get 3-4 innings out of him and then make the next move depending where the game is at. If it’s close use a non Chatwood/Randy option, if it’s not let those guys go wild

horsefeathers off Dodgers Also, go back to being the 82 to 85 win team you are any day now Cardinals

I was told Dave Roberts was a master tactician when it came to bullpens

Their pitching is gonna be scary good for the next 3-5 years. No team has been set up better since the 2015 Mets

Only if they claim a guy on irrevocable are they “stuck” with him. Revocable both sides can always decide not to do a deal, like the Brewers could’ve claimed Murphy to prevent him from getting to us and just said “no thanks, we won’t do a deal” and that’s that. The Nats could have said “you’re taking him” and the Brewers would be on the hook for the $4 million he’s owed. Only the team that puts him on revocable waivers can pull him back. They claiming team can decide not to make a trade offer, but they can still be forced to accept the player/remaining contract. Ah, got it. Makes sense. I knew there was a way a team didn’t necessarily have to take or get a guy.

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