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Kintzler Team Option Declined, Exercises Player Option
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2018-19 Other Team Offseason Transactions Not Worth a New Thread
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It will screw Michigan over that’s for sure so don’t lose Michigan will make it if they win out and won't if they don't. Yeah I think LSU loses this week and 1 of Michigan or OSU wins out and gets in and it’s Bama, Clemson, ND, Mich/OSU ultimately
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Kintzler Team Option Declined, Exercises Player Option
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Good stuff Davell and agree. I think they can take one big swing this offseason and go way over, do enough 1 year deals with non-Bryce guys and probably go fully back under 2 years from now. Next year would be tough (nearly impossible) to fully reset but possible to go under the top end and 2 years from now with all of Zobrist, Chatwood, Morrow, Lester, Q, Hamels, etc off the books over the next 2 years it doesn't take a ton of maneuvering to get fully under then (granted there’s arb raises/extensions and talent needed to be replaced but that’s a lot of money shed to still be able to spend on things and stay under) and the penalties for going over for 1 year on the top end and over but not top end in year 2 aren't THAT bad at all.
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His final 2 starts he went 13IP 8H 3ER 1HR 4BB 15K and then pitched well in the WC game. His third to last start vs the Arizona AAA team was his only truly awful start looking at the game logs. That final nats start wasn’t great either but I think the game got delayed in the middle and he came back out? And I remember that final Reds game he gave up a bunch of cheap hits but the final line was good. (Those 3 specific games with his final 2 line were his final 5 starts). He gave up 3 or fewer runs in 11 of 12 starts and 2 or less in 10 of 12, he also walked 3 batters or less in 11 of 12 and 2 or less in 10 of 12. His velocity stayed pretty consistent over all 12 starts. His FB velo was above his 12 game average in 2 of his final 4 starts, including over it in his final one and within .3 and .6 MPH in 2 of the other 4 so he didn’t really “fade” velo wise. I just think there’s enough there to bring him back and expect a productive pitcher and it’s only one year.
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absolutely not I don’t even think I’d be interested in a minor league deal with him
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Should we just completely ignore and discount his 12 starts here where he was a 3.5 FIP pitcher when there were some real underlying indicators and changes that he wasn’t the 4.5 FIP guy anymore and pitching in Coors Jr had some effect? He’s the best of dumpster options to still be a good to really good pitcher, IMO, and he already proved to be a decent pitcher here for ~1/2 a season. He’s a pitcher and sucks inherently and will probably be a bum but there was enough stuff going on in his time here I think he can carry value.
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Yeah, I wish we didn’t have to be think we need to. Too many potential question marks in the rotation otherwise (though on a whole I think we ultimately end up with a top ~10 rotation assuming Hamels is back). What guys die off and what guys contribute idk but we need options.
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Yeah and especially if it’s just a $14 million LT hit. Since I doubt we’d dip our toes in the Kuechel/Corbin/Kershaw waters it’s a no brainer over like Matt Harvey Man, if Hamels come back, he is gonna break so many hearts next year. I obviously don’t expect sub 3 era Hamels. But it seems like he was a good clubhouse guy and he showed real, mostly sustainable things of being a plenty valuable pitcher still (he wasn’t getting crazy BABIP lucky, K and BB numbers were good, velo was good, xFIP and FIP were good). I think he’s plenty capable of being a 3.75-4.00 era starter and somewhere around ~3 WAR (basically something like his 2015 or 16’ seasons) and gives us needed depth with Lester a year older, Darvish coming back and Chatwood not being able to depend on for anything. Again for a $14 mil LT hit, it makes a lot of sense. It’s better than committing multiple years to like Wade Miley or Bucholz after the years they had or dumpster diving on a Harvey, Gio or Lynn etc.
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Mark Gonzales reported in his column today that it’s expected that Kintzler exercises his option once the Cubs decline theirs. God damn it, what a stupid horsefeathering trade
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It's for a year. Big whoop. Yeah and especially if it’s just a $14 million LT hit. Since I doubt we’d dip our toes in the Kuechel/Corbin/Kershaw waters it’s a no brainer over like Matt Harvey
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Wouldn't the Cubs have to decline their end first? Ah that’s right. Hopefully he’s been notified it’s not picked up and is in his decision making process.
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The one thing I'd say to this is that part of the narrative here is that Chatwood is a year removed from being a fairly desirable FA SP, and his downturn appears to be a mental block(maybe helped by a change of scenery?) moreso than injury or loss of stuff. He's only 29 on opening day too, so I think you can make the argument his likelihood to rehab value is similar/better to Andrus. I don't expect that to be a universal sentiment, but I bet there's a handful of teams who would believe something close to that. Whether that's the Rangers is the question, because I do think in their position of not being very competitive next year, the idea of freeing up 15 million each in '21-22 is appealing enough to take on a few million bucks in post-prime relievers for 2019. Yeah I like Andrus as a target and thought of him as a Chatwood swap guy a while back if the Rangers are going to bottom out. Like you said they get out of more total money and sooner. I’d be willing to include some combination of Adbert, Russell (if they don’t view him as a toxic asset), Almora, Short, relief pitcher like Maples, etc to get him. Andrus gets to stay with eye patch too Who was his hitting coach for his best year.
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Kintzler didn’t immediately exercise his option so hopefully he’s actually considering hitting free agency. At least that’s my hope for him not doing it as soon as he could today.
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Don’t his BB numbers scare you quite a bit? I see you mention him a lot and he had a great year but I’d assume they’d ask for a decent haul back for a guy who’s been Chatwood wild in the past. He’s had 6 stops across the majors and minors since 2015 of at least 15 innings and only in 2 of them he’s had a BB/9 under 5.8 and it was still in the high 3 both times. His career MLB BB/9 is just a little under 6. He’d scare me a ton, he also gives up a lot of flyballs. This article is where he first got my attention: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-best-reliever-season-you-havent-heard-about/ Are the walks a concern? Absolutely. But he also has one of the most unique pitches in MLB and five more years of control. I’d definitely have interest if he would be available just think he would cost a lot and even though it appears he flipped a switch/throws a new pitch/mix the walk past would have me a little hesitant
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He ended the year with a forearm thing too and his velo and movement was down. This likely stemmed from the shoulder thing because our idiot medical staff probably didn’t diagnose or treat it right. He was awful and then hurt again after he came back from that.
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Houston’s chance to beat them was last year, I think their window with Harden/CP3 as their guys is effectively closed from ever reaching or winning The Finals
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What is it you don't like about Leclerc? Don’t his BB numbers scare you quite a bit? I see you mention him a lot and he had a great year but I’d assume they’d ask for a decent haul back for a guy who’s been Chatwood wild in the past. He’s had 6 stops across the majors and minors since 2015 of at least 15 innings and only in 2 of them he’s had a BB/9 under 5.8 and it was still in the high 3 both times. His career MLB BB/9 is just a little under 6. He’d scare me a ton, he also gives up a lot of flyballs.
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Having a few of those bottom out years probably ended up being a blessing in between some of these titles. I think they had 1 sub 70 and 2 sub 80 win years between 2010 and 2016
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He could do it physically, imo. He just has to figure out the metal side of it. The guy has to be more consistent before you can trust him in that kind of role. Wasn’t he literally turned in to a relief pitcher because he kept getting hurt as a starter?
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https://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2018/10/yankees_in_or_out_bryce_harper_friend_responds_to.html Is his friend Jon Heyman? Because those are some Heyman logic lines, “these two teams are the favorite favorite but other things could happen” “don’t rule out this team if x, y, z happens he could go there” “this team is a long shot but don’t rule them out”, etc
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Yeah I think they swapped us with the Phillies from the last time they had odds out. horsefeathers them, they aren’t getting him and their owner/GM basically said as much at the end of the year that after the disappointing year they had they had to re-evaluate where they were at in terms of adding to the roster with big FA’s because they weren’t as far along as they’d though they’d be.
