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I wonder what the hell this means? Are guys looking at taking other jobs? Are they shuffling people around?
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2018-19 Other Team Offseason Transactions Not Worth a New Thread
Cubswin11 replied to Cubswin11's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
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Another offseason thread? Don’t we typically have a thread for Cubs rumors, a thread for other team rumors, a thread for other transactions and then once we get some stronger rumors on individual trades/players connected to us a thread for them? I didn’t see a general rumors thread for not Cubs teams.
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Didn’t really know where to put this but figured we could use a thread like this.
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Now quotes like these are more like it, Theo [tweet] [/tweet]
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Sullivan had this Theo quote in his article today....
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Oh hell yes on Diaz if they are rebuilding. They have quite a few guys I’d be interested in if they’re selling off. Diaz, Paxton, Segura, Pazos, Zunino and Colome would all interest me to varying degrees.
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So he has his velo back, if not higher? than pre injury, is throwing a new pitch and getting results. Damn, he’s becoming incredibly intriguing.
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But they're not! There's teams saying they're not interested in Harper or Machado; that I would expect as the usual playing coy BS that's part of the negotiating dance if they're actually interested. How many teams are actively repeating the story that they're effectively more hamstrung financially than they seemingly expected to be? First I think that could be us playing coy and games with the Harper dance. Secondly I’ve seen stuff from the Giants, Angels, Braves, Phillies and one or two other teams of decent market size about not having a willingness to spend or managing expectations about what they really can do.
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I don’t disagree, maybe they just want to jump the market on trades and get these guys moved now vs in a month+. You’re right on their value not changing much but maybe they feel they can get more now vs after FA starts moving (for whatever reasons). If they feel good about getting Bryce maybe moving Happ/Schwarber now they think they have more leverage vs when they have Bryce they think teams could hold back value knowing we are more motivated to move one with Bryce than without him. Right, I agree with all that...but pretending to be poor doesn't fit into that. At all. Every team is pretending to be poor or uninterested in preparation of FA right now it seems. Dual fronts! Cry poor to get trades moving faster then after trades jump in to FA and sign Bryce.
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Yeah I really like that move if the money is a net zero. I’d even include a fairly decent prospect on our side with + like Vic/Maples to get it done. what motivation would the angels have to trade cozart for chatwood? what's the upside for them I have no idea. Other than he’s coming off a shoulder surgery, they cost about the same, the Angels apparently don’t have much money to spend and it’s our crap for their crap but fills what both teams “need.” Chatwood gives them a rotation arm and Cozart gives us our backup SS/Infielder.
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I guess I just don't see much of a difference if the Cubs drop word that guys are available whether or not they're pursuing FA. Things like the Cubs' OF being...iffy and them likely wanting to move on from Russell and needed pitching aren't exactly secrets. The value Schwarber and Happ have is largely unchanged, IMO, regardless of who they bring in. I don’t disagree, maybe they just want to jump the market on trades and get these guys moved now vs in a month+. You’re right on their value not changing much but maybe they feel they can get more now vs after FA starts moving (for whatever reasons). If they feel good about getting Bryce maybe moving Happ/Schwarber now they think they have more leverage vs when they have Bryce they think teams could hold back value knowing we are more motivated to move one with Bryce than without him.
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If teams hear actual valuable guys like Schwarber, Happ, etc are guys we are open to moving I’m guessing they’re going to call sooner than they normally would if it wasn’t out there and the assumption was we had no interest to move them (one of those are the two likely guys gone if Bryce comes and maybe they want to move one now before Bryce instead of after they have him because they feel they have more leverage or can get a better off now vs after he signs???). Also can start the work on moving the bad contracts sooner maybe? Team calls about Happ/Schwarber now and “oh while you’re here any interest in Kintzler, you can have him for just a PTBNL and we’ll throw in a prospect.” You are right that teams won’t be jumping to call about Chatwood/Duensing/Kintzler but throw out Happ and Schwarber being available and it probably gets guys calling and then try and push Duensing, Chatwood and Kintzler on teams then or at least gauge the market on what you think you can do with those idiots in a month or 2 as the offseason goes on.
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Yeah it really does seem like that What the horsefeathers would even be the point. "Oh, man, the Cubs are so crafty, what with pretending like they can't afford those free agents that literally everyone else wants." This isn't some tricky multi-team deal or some kind of under the radar signing they're trying to pull off; it's horsefeathering Bryce horsefeathering Harper. Pretending to be poor accomplishes horsefeathers all. I think it’s more to potentially speed up interest and timeframe on trades for guys more than being sneaky on Bryce. Teams read and hear “we have a limited budget” and prefer trades over FA maybe it means a few teams check in quicker with us than they normally would or now check in on some guys when they normally wouldn’t and we can ultimately move a guy(s) earlier in the offseason (even if it’s just a Kintzler or Duensing).
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Please just be posturing for trade value for him [tweet] [/tweet]
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Yeah it really does seem like that, what the ultimate motivation is who knows. The GM meetings are this week..... maybe they want to get some trades done sooner than later and they feel getting this out when they’re in the same building as every other team’s FO for a week will help expedite trades so they can then clear whatever they need to, to focus mostly on FA the rest of the offseason.
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I know, we might only win 92 games next year if we bring back largely the same team with some tweaks.* (Obviously we should be adding more, I’m not saying I’m fine with this)*
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Agree, it’s the hardest roster spot to lock down anyways with its inherit volatility. There’s always guys available for nothing as the season goes on. Add 1-2 cheap guys in a Happ trade and maybe a Rule 5 guy along with the Iowa shuttle guys to fill out what we already have on the roster to start the year.
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Yeah I really like that move if the money is a net zero. I’d even include a fairly decent prospect on our side with + like Vic/Maples to get it done.
