minnesotacubsfan

Comedy gold

His average time to throw will be 5.5 seconds instead of 3.5 seconds. it might take 5.5 seconds for this group of WR's to get open!

my point about not lobbing or high-pointing the throw is about the play design, I didn't say you were making that argument. He's got one throw he can make to Kmet safely, and he likely threw it from an arm slot that felt the most comfortable to him. He didnt side arm it as you suggest in your baseball analogy, the release point is at the top of his helmet - farther up then 3/4. But theres also the issue of the play call. Getsy has to understand the players he has. He has to understand that his o-lineman are terrible pass blockers up the middle and either wiff or become statues far too often. He also has to understand that Justin Fields inst Peyton Manning and isnt going to stand as tall as he possibly can in the pocket while throwing directly over the top of 6'-5" guys. Why call a play that requires JF to do something he just doesn't seem to be geared up or built to do? You can't design every damn play outside of the pocket. Have you seen how teams are defending him? They are keeping the backside DE from rushing and strictly in contain. Hell, it happened last night that they called a playaction roll out and he couldn't even get the ball to Kmet at the line of scrimmage. He has to throw the ball from the pocket to be an NFL QB. If he isn't comfortable releasing the ball at DL helmets then he might as well quit football right now. The fact that it doesn't happen on every play, leads me to believe he's fine releasing the ball correctly, just didn't on this play. And that's his fault, not Getsy's. Not the DL for being too tall. Kyler horsefeathering Murray throws the ball over linemen or he finds a lane. Fields can do it too, and does most of the time. He didn't this time. And it was bad. Kyle Murray is an odd example considering he's been ... not great... this year behind a bad oline. But honestly, I think JF is doing just fine in the NFL if your take is he should feel comfortable throwing behind a rapidly dissolving interior O-line. He's got lots of experience doing that this year! and so far, just 1 helmet hit!

Yep. You can run your full pass scheme only on 1st and 10. Any other time you want to pass its 90% two route concepts with a checkdown and maybe another chip option. Everyone else has to block. Then turn those two route concepts into pure progression quick reads for Fields. And just do that over and over to try and speed up his initial play speed through 2 reads. Make sure he practices his sliding abilities. Next year they can get wild and do 3 and 4 progression route combos on more obvious passing downs. a jv game plan for a jv talent level offense

it was forth down, and they dont completely limit themselves since they still had Monty out of the backfield. Fields never would have had the time to get to Monty, but that's your pitch/catch/and run to the end zone route, not your designed first read You can't blame Fields for this one, it's all Mooney, he had two hands on the ball and still couldn't catch it cleanly, should have been a TD period. i suppose Mooney could have run his route more shallow then intended, but I tend to think it was a designed 3 yard hitch and that is just too shallow of a primary route when its 4th and 1 and the game is on the line. At least for the primary read and likely the 2nd read as well. Having Monty in the flats is a better bet to run to the endzone. Why in that sequence they never tried to let Fields break for the corner pylon on an earlier down is beyond me

my point about not lobbing or high-pointing the throw is about the play design, I didn't say you were making that argument. He's got one throw he can make to Kmet safely, and he likely threw it from an arm slot that felt the most comfortable to him. He didnt side arm it as you suggest in your baseball analogy, the release point is at the top of his helmet - farther up then 3/4. But theres also the issue of the play call. Getsy has to understand the players he has. He has to understand that his o-lineman are terrible pass blockers up the middle and either wiff or become statues far too often. He also has to understand that Justin Fields inst Peyton Manning and isnt going to stand as tall as he possibly can in the pocket while throwing directly over the top of 6'-5" guys. Why call a play that requires JF to do something he just doesn't seem to be geared up or built to do? You to assume, on every passing attempt, if not outright sacked, the DL is going to get penetration, given this you've got to design a play that'll afford Fields some passing lanes. exactly, or bootlegs/option sets. Something to give Fields a chance to avoid the DL push

I disagree. hes throwing to Kmet on the under route, he cant lob it and he cant high-point it. It was either a bad decision (which I'm not sure about) or a bad play design/call (which seems most likely) Why are you talking about lobs and high-points? I didn't say horsefeathers about lobbing or throwing the ball high. Just releasing the ball high. Think sidearm pitcher vs. an over the top delivery. You can throw fastballs for every arm angle. Just like you can throw a football accurately and with velocity from any arm angle. He went with the 3/4 delivery when it should have been over the top. my point about not lobbing or high-pointing the throw is about the play design, I didn't say you were making that argument. He's got one throw he can make to Kmet safely, and he likely threw it from an arm slot that felt the most comfortable to him. He didnt side arm it as you suggest in your baseball analogy, the release point is at the top of his helmet - farther up then 3/4. But theres also the issue of the play call. Getsy has to understand the players he has. He has to understand that his o-lineman are terrible pass blockers up the middle and either wiff or become statues far too often. He also has to understand that Justin Fields inst Peyton Manning and isnt going to stand as tall as he possibly can in the pocket while throwing directly over the top of 6'-5" guys. Why call a play that requires JF to do something he just doesn't seem to be geared up or built to do?

yea, this is one of those "run routes short of the goaline" calls I hate. its 4th down, every route except is last check down should have been IN the endzone Eh. It's fine. Mooney catches the ball cleanly it's a TD. It didn't require him to break any tackles to score. No reason to limit yourself to inside the end zone when you just have to break the plane. The further in the endzone you are, the smaller it gets. it was forth down, and they dont completely limit themselves since they still had Monty out of the backfield. Fields never would have had the time to get to Monty, but that's your pitch/catch/and run to the end zone route, not your designed first read

I think the point is not that Fields should have lofted it, but in that situation you need to be able to throw a strike that isn't released below your own helmet level, because that outcome is exactly what can happen. Yes, I thought I was clear that I was calling his arm angle bad, not the throw or the read. He simply can't release a ball that low, especially near the goaline and he did it again later in the game (though that was more of a good play by the DL). If you hit an outstretched hand of a 6'5" dude with 34" arms, that's bad luck/good timing by the DL. But if you hit him in the helmet, that's a bad release. I disagree. hes throwing to Kmet on the under route, he cant lob it and he cant high-point it. It was either a bad decision (which I'm not sure about) or a bad play design/call (which seems most likely)

Yea there really isn't a good justification for any of those takes, other than perhaps being a traumatized Bears fan. Weird how I said that exactly what has happened would happen then I dont think the book is written on Gordan and Brisker yet, so you cant say they were busts, even as often as I could get frustrated with Gordan myself. I do share your frustration on not drafting a WR in the 2nd.

I am assuming this is the wheel route you're referring to, the last play of the game. Fields said that Montgomery was his 5th read on the play and there's only like a 5% chance he gets to the point where he's looking his way. Here is a breakdown of the play with the person arguing Fields made the correct read and throw. Mooney ran a short route (should have been in the end zone not barely on there), and should have caught it. Fields recognized man to man isolated on the right side and threw it to a position where he had his hands on the ball at the goal line. yea, this is one of those "run routes short of the goaline" calls I hate. its 4th down, every route except is last check down should have been IN the endzone

heres a view of it from the endzone, he's got Kmet in the middle with pretty close coverage, and had he not hit the commanders helmet, would likely have hit Kmet in the numbers. it wasnt a stupid throw, believe it or not;. If he lofts this, its likely picked Patrick and SM both get stood straight up and blown back several yards on the play. Washingtons DL played it exactly the way they should have. It was a predictable outcome and not a great play design by Getsy I think the point is not that Fields should have lofted it, but in that situation you need to be able to throw a strike that isn't released below your own helmet level, because that outcome is exactly what can happen. nah, he cant throw it high, Mooney and his defender is behind Kmet, if Kmet misses it high its likely int as well. The ball is released at the top of Fields helmet, he didnt side-arm it. if he comes directly over the top and it sails, its an int. its a bad play design down in the red zone when you interior o-line is consistently creating the Great Wall of Midway in front of you

DB-DB-KR-value OL is a disastrous draft from a long-term standpoint. I don't want value OL, I want OL in the top two rounds. I don't want a gadget player when we don't have WR1-3 in place. And I definitely don't want our first two picks to be defense. Even your first draft, you're establishing which positions you think are high-priority and which ones you can try to get cheap with. I hate his choices. I to very much disliked the defense, defense nonsense in this year's draft, next year he's got no excuse to keep from trying to load up on offense, be it in the draft or FA. Meaning I'm willing to give him another shot in 2023. However, if that horsefeathers goes DL with a quite probable top 5 pick without first addressing C and the OL in FA - I'm done with him. I understand this especially since he had no rd 1 pick this past year, but he still could have done much more (or much less in the Daniels case) this past offseason

Yea, the helmet throw was 100% on Fields. Not sure how that's even arguable. My first thought live was, "damn, what dumb luck that the ball gets tipped up that high in that spot". But seeing the replay, I have no idea how a 6'3" QB thinks he's going to throw the ball over a 6'5" DT with a release at 5'11". Just a ridiculously bad arm angle attempt. heres a view of it from the endzone, he's got Kmet in the middle with pretty close coverage, and had he not hit the commanders helmet, would likely have hit Kmet in the numbers. it wasnt a stupid throw, believe it or not;. If he lofts this, its likely picked Patrick and SM both get stood straight up and blown back several yards on the play. Washingtons DL played it exactly the way they should have. It was a predictable outcome and not a great play design by Getsy

that was Fields worst throw of the night, and it wasn't only bad because the TE he was throwing to shouldn't be in the NFL. If there is a criticism of JF's throw, its that he could have put more air under the ball instead of such a flat throw. A better criticism might be that the GM has tanked the team around JF, so you get what you get He had some other candidates for worst throw. There was one in the red zone that landed in front of the WR. There was the one in our own zone that hit a DB in the hands as he was sliding. There was the one that plunked straight off a DL's helmet. The one that hit the DL's helmet was 100% on Patrick's shitty block, and probably why pff scored him in single digits for the night

how that was Fields worst throw of the night, and it wasn't only bad because the TE he was throwing to shouldn't be in the NFL. If there is a criticism of JF's throw, its that he could have put more air under the ball instead of such a flat throw. A better criticism might be that the GM has tanked the team around JF, so you get what you get

I've seen a lot of people blaming the TE on this throw, because he did lumber out of his break and was moving way too slow. Even "experts" are saying Fields threw it to a spot and the TE has to get there. And ya'll know I love Justin, but there's 0 way I'm buying that. All that may be 100% true. Fields may have thrown it to a spot that a slow TE stumbled slowly to try to get to, but that's a fast break slam dunk. It simply has to be complete, doesn't care how flashy the throw, give the guy a chance to catch it as easily as the throw was thrown. Even Fields mentioned that the TE could have run faster, which I thought was odd to say. I agree with you. If Kmet is running that route he gets to the ball (whether he catches it is another story...) but knowing a slow lumbering TE is running that route he has to make a better throw there. or, find a better TE and get rid of the slow, lumbering TE

I've seen a lot of people blaming the TE on this throw, because he did lumber out of his break and was moving way too slow. Even "experts" are saying Fields threw it to a spot and the TE has to get there. And ya'll know I love Justin, but there's 0 way I'm buying that. All that may be 100% true. Fields may have thrown it to a spot that a slow TE stumbled slowly to try to get to, but that's a fast break slam dunk. It simply has to be complete, doesn't care how flashy the throw, give the guy a chance to catch it as easily as the throw was thrown. when I re-watch that play its clear that JF and the TE are not on the same page. The TE looks like he has no idea if JF is going to throw it to him and JF looks like he's expecting the TE to run to a spot.

I see your point but don’t you think saying the Bears have a good run game is too broad a statement? They break out some fantastic long runs and I love that, but I also feel like the dives up the middle often fail. I mean, statistically I can prove the Bears have a good run game. It's not too broad. It's a fact. 3rd in yards, 7th in YPA. "They break out some fantastic long runs and fail on dives up the middle" is not something you can probably prove. Even if you could, they still do in fact have a good run game. And a team that averages 5.2 yards per carry, should have pretty good odds of getting 1/2 a yard middle, outside or otherwise. they should be able to but they are hampered by a pop-warner OC

Smith-Marsette is a dbl edged sword, he gets open so Fields is able to locate him and put the ball on his face mask but S-M can't catch. It's astonishing

It's stunning how this team falls flat on their face inside the 20. Little stupid mistakes by players and/or Getsy. To me, Getsy isn't "fine", he's just as much a rookie and looks overmatched because of it People were bitching that the Bears ran too much in the redzone. Well, they got what they wanted and Getsy called pass plays it 8 of the last 10 redzone plays. Granted, the ones at the end had time constraints, but again I say....if Fields is working with a bad supporting cast, how can you fault Getsy who's working the same bad cast, plus what may be a bad QB? Well, considering he's a bad OC, he fits the role well.

I'm disappointed with the product on the field, regardless of experience. I agree it says more that veterans like Patrick, Reiff and Schofield who were brought in to secure this line have been awful. I get they want to get worse before better but doing so at the expense of Fields puts them back further compared to giving him some protection and weapons. It's not a coincidence the current run of bad QBs runs parallel to the current run of horsefeathers GMs and Poles is looking like another one. The opportunity to improve this team is there, they have cap space. OBJ Daryl Williams Quinton Spain They would immediately improve this team and give Fields a chance. It's not about the playoffs or anything like that but they're going to Tim Couch his career and for the next year or two, they need to see what they have. With this crap supporting cast, you'll still have no clue. This is a sentiment that many people share. I went back and forth with a dude that wants Reiff in there now for Braxton Jones. And I think the disconnect is our goals as fans aren't the same as the goals of the front office. Fans want to build up Fields to be the next great QB in this league. Poles' goal isn't to build up Fields, it's to build up the 53-man roster. That's why you saw him taking what he thought were BPAs over pigeonholing picks to OL or WR in Round 2. That's probably a big reason why you have Jones, Jenkins and Borom starting on the OL. Guys like Beckham, Williams, Spain, Reiff and Schofield don't really serve a purpose. They are all 1-year guys. Granted, Beckham could be more, but that simply isn't happening. He isn't going from SB ring to the worst team in the league even if he could potentially put up astronomical numbers as the only good player on the team. But there's really no reason for a rebuilding team to bring in a bunch of 1-year veterans to salvage what we already knew was going to be a lost season. Poles is trying to develop 53 players, or at the least 22-35 long-term starters and contributors to the overall team. Bears fans are trying to develop 1 great QB. Granted, the best way to win games in the NFL is to develop 1 great QB.....but clearly Poles feels like he needs to build this thing from the ground-up, at every position at the same time. And if the QB he didn't pick doesn't survive it, so be it (his opinion). Can't wait to see the noodle armed oaf he drafts to replace Fields who sets the franchise back once again. For the first time in a long time, I had a strange, overhanging feeling that I hadn't had since Wannstadt was coach. This org is a disgrace - they have no idea what they are doing or where they are going

Getsy is fine. You have one of the best run games in the league. Your OL should be able to get you 1/2 a yard. Plus, it's weird to feel for Justin not having anything to work with and then blame Getsy, who is working with the same people (plus Justin). It's stunning how this team falls flat on their face inside the 20. Little stupid mistakes by players and/or Getsy. To me, Getsy isn't "fine", he's just as much a rookie and looks overmatched because of it

Letting Daniels go was horsefeathering stupid. You can't tell me he wouldn't be a better C than Mustipher. Daniels was drafted with the idea of possibly becoming a C He's not even playing C now for a team with a similarly bad OL I realize that but it just doesn't seem possible that he'd be a worse choice than SM. SM either completely whiffs on pass blocks or gets stood straight up on a bull rush, either way it causes catastrophic results

I'm more in between than I was two weeks ago. He's gone from indescribably awful to just regular bad. We can ride out another season and a half of this to see if he develops. He's hitting guys in their hands/faces and they can't catch the horsefeathering ball and your thought is "..derrrp er ya Fields is just bad"