minnesotacubsfan

thats par-for-the-course here

ya

You don't even know what it means. oh, leave him be...he just wants to be cool. dont we all?

Its been talked about in another thread..dont remember which one

ouch

on the high end, I would say Adruw Jones Beltran Low end Hermansen Patterson completely off the cuff

I like them, as long as they produce. at some point in their career. a line like : G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG OPS E 55 229 51 83 9 5 9 43 129 19 40 9 6 .410 .563 .362 .973 3 when they are 22 yrs old at AAA o wait...

I think this joke has run its course. prolly...

I love pie, cherry pie, blackberry pie, especially raspberry pie. I dont have stats to back it up tho...

you got stats to back that up??

hardly ;)

My interpretation of your posts is a completely valid opinion and you have no basis to discard it. this is true, and the same goes for everyone here. but you can always ask for a clarification without completely discarding it.

this whole thread begs the question, why cant we have a legitimate discussion on baseball without it becoming "I'm right, you're wrong!!"? are we really that immature around here?

I imagine most of them will set it straight once Fukudome is introduced this week. Has anyone heard what day his press conference is yet? is Mr Miles around?? he may shed some light

do you not accept PM's? I was trying to send you one...

ah. interesting

Kosuke it is! anyone think it may be possible he cahnges it next season after he sees all the Fukudome jerseys and shirts that are llikely to be sold in the stads? or is there a MLB rule prohibiting players from doing that?

yea, I think the vast majority of NSBB (as in posters) are quite abit more complex. But I do think there is a very interesting and lively converstation on stats-based analysis vs perceived or observed analysis. I dont have an answer for every situation, as I think there are very unique instances. I do think experience can qualify a person, although verifing that experience on a message board may be hard to do. I do think the whole converation worth discussing. I just think we need find a way to have that conversation in a level-headed kind of way. I dont think that happens alot of the time. Maybe a suggestion for the board in general, a sticky thread or sub-forum for that? I would love to participate.

winner.

This is a legitimate opinion and should not be discarded simply because stats don't support it. awesome. glad we settled it.

there is alot of speculation (I dont think anyone from the Cubs themselves have said) that he will have his 1st name (Kosuke) on his jersey because he was for-warned of the translation irregularity of his last name (Fukudome) Kosuke looks like the prevailing option.

I 100% agree

I cannot imagine, at this point, Sammy not getting in. If voters can pass on him, they really should not be voting.... that all could change with evidence of steroids...

think so? you should go check out the "WSCR Rumor? " thread.... thats lame ;)

no, I am simply pointing out that if you base all your opinoins on stats, and keep saying that those types of opinoins are the only ones that can be made, you cannot have an opinoin (or at least one that has any meat to it) on an issue that has no stats to validate or deny it. it really has nothing to do with Mark Prior. I am just pointing out what i find to be troubling with the whole stats analytical or else arguement. I really dont think its that crazy to understand. but mayne OMC was right Facts, not stats. An opinion that isn't based to any extent on facts and rational logic is worthless. facts was not the word used. it was stats. Cuse was the one who asked everyone else to find stats (stats that are probably impossible to get) for him to back up his claim. On top of it, unless I've missed something, he has yet to provide one piece of support for his argument, other than that it's his opinion. Maybe I could actually be swayed to buy into it (doubt it, but maybe) if there was any sort of support. part of this whole thing was me wrapping my head around the sabermetric arguement. I am not really trying to sway anyone, more thinking this through "with a lil help from my friends". but abuck asserted the idea that unless your opinion is based on stats, it isnt worth the time or effort to put forth. I dont deny Cuse's arguement against Prior was unjustified, and even taht he was wrong on Prior. Hell, like the majority here, I think they really shold have tried to get Prior back, and I will miss him. but, if you look back, none of that is what I was arguing for. just the stats and opinoins part. I think there is more to baseball then stats tell. the more I see the saber-arguement, the more I believe this.