Little Slide Rooter
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Hopefully the plan is to flip him for 2005 Randy Johnson.
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To a team, especially an AL team poking around for a LH spare DH/1B/OF, and not wanting to drop a mil or 2 or 3 on someone like Branyan, Overbay, or Scott, he could be very attractive as a throw in. This being said, while to a team trading for Soriano, LaHair could be an attractive throw in, Baltimore already has Chris Davis, who's a younger, better version of him.
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Like Liriano, if Baker is starting pitcher 2 of 2 for the offseason, I'm happy with it. If our 2 SP additions are Baker and Liriano, not so much.
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As the OP insinuates, entertainment does factor into it. Professional sports is a form of entertainment. I'm 100% for building a top notch farm system. However, when most fans pay to see a game in 2013, they're not paying for the promise of a World Series in 2016, they want to watch this team win. This isn't to say that every team should turn into the Yankees or Dodgers, but no team should be built so that they can safely assume that they'll lose more games than they win before the season begins. Especially in the Cub's financial situation, there's no excuse not to make some quality additions without burdensome contracts. Passing on Fielder and Pujols at their outrageous prices was logical. However, if there are players that can help make this a better team in the next 1-3 years, there's no reason not to drop a few contracts in the 3/45-5/65 range over the next few years, assuming they're attached to the right players.
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We're reportedly in the market for 2 starting pitcher. As long as he's the other one, it works for me.
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We should probably get that thank you card out to AA then.
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I'd take him at minimum. The fact that the Mets sent him on his way with nothing to show for it suggests that he's close to done. I'll assume that if anyone thought that there was much left in the tank, the Mets would have been able to get at least a hand full of fringe prospects if they were willing to eat his full salary, as they ended up doing.
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On the subject of the 3-4 teams that are realistic trade partners for us, I see 3 with an enviable glut of young pitching on their depth chart: Braves: Medlan Minor Beachy Hanson Teharan Delgado Jurrjens (reclamation) They also have Maholm and Hudson for 2013, giving them many moveable parts. A's: Milone Anderson Parker Peacock Griffin Straily Gray Cole Ross (low risk, decent reward) Also have Bartolo back in the fold. Again, plenty of moveable parts D Backs: Bauer Skaggs Bradley Corbin Collmenter Miley Hudson Cahill Kennedy The top three would obviously be very costly. Corbin, Miley, and Collmenter would be very realistic targets. They have a strong, young big league 1-3 in Kennedy, Hudson, Cahill, giving them no shortage of depth.
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I'm actually quite encouraged by Theo's comments. Seems to me as though he's open to a bit of everything, as he should be. More importantly, he seems to be very open to not being horrible in 2013. We don't need to be trade fits for 25 of 29 teams so long as we can get something of real benefit out of the 4 that we have fits with.
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That's an awful lot of money to make a guy go away, especially from a team without a ton of talent. Where the [expletive] did Heyman get $189 million from? He's owed $21 million, and his contract was only $66 million. WTF? 189 isn't even possible to typo with any of the numbers left from Bay's contract. EDIT: Weird mistake I guess... He meant 18.9M. If you total his 16M in '13 and 3M in '14 that makes sense. Well, even though that's $19 million and not $18.9 million I can see the mistake happening then I was thinking 18.9 all along. Actually ends up being 21MM with some deferred, adding him to the list of players they'll be paying not to play for them for years to come.
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That's an awful lot of money to make a guy go away, especially from a team without a ton of talent.
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BA, BP, etc. Cubs Top Prospects List
Little Slide Rooter replied to CaliforniaRaisin's topic in Cubs Minor League Talk
I don't have a BP subscription so I can't tell you anymore. Nine out of ten added in the last 16 months. Not to mention that two scrap heap signings ultimately turned into our top pitching/4th overall prospect. Maybe this Epstein guy kinda-sorta knows what he's doing. -
Masterson anyone?
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If you're a contender looking for an OF bat and don't want to enter a bidding war for B.J. Upton or Michael Bourn, Crisp's a good option. If you're lookng for band-aids to get you through the next 3-5 years, or a low risk/high reward type to flip at the deadline, he's not you're guy. Again, if we were to trade for 1 season of him plus an option for 2014 and then flip 2-3 months of him, plus said option in July, we'd probably be lucky to break even as far as the July return goes.
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We don't want any long-term pieces. We want to float along until the front office's Golden Generation is ready. Partly true. We do want long term pieces. Pieces that can help this team win now and hopefully still be able to contribute by the time the Golden Generation is ready. Coco is 33 now, and by the time the likes of Baez, Soler, and Almora start filtering in, he'll be at least 36. Like DeJesus, Crisp is a useful player, but not to a team in the state that the Cubs are currently in. If you have a lineup with 3-4 big bats, and you're looking for a solid additon to plug into the 2 or 6 spot, Crisp would be a nice addition. We already have that type in DeJesus and potentially Jackson and/or Sappelt. Cabrera or Delmon Young at a low price would be more sensible additons for us. Even if the plan would be to trade for Crisp now and then flip him at the deadline, Bille Beane isn't in the habit of giving up something for nothing. Chances are whaetever we end up giving up for him would cancel out the possible July return. The only way I'd want to take on Crisp would be if the A's wanted us to take on his salary as part of a trade for one of their young pitchers. Even then, we should probably try and flip him not too long after.
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And hopefully contracted to not include Coco Crisp.
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Yeah, that would be pretty awesome.
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With Parker, Milone, Cole, Griffin, Straily, Gray, and Peacock, they already do. I really hope we can do some dealing with them.
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I'm baffled by the sheer number of people who seem to honestly believe this. Or that seem to think the rest of baseball is keeping some kind of running tally and laughing at the Cubs over it. How many major trades/signings can you remember in recent years that we're reported as sure things by major outlets and respected sources and turned out to be no goes? ESPN and CBS had this. Dempster and Soler were reported by some major sources as well. Obviously, the Twitter age is responsible for this, but I can't think of many other major non-trades that were prematurely reported as done deals by multiple respected sources. There was also the Pujols fiasco last year, also Twitter generated, but the last pre-Twitter debacle of this sort I can remember was Peavy, also the Cubs. Do you ever wonder that maybe it's because they are the only team you pay attention to...? Thought about that. It's one thing if it comes from a local media, but when it starts being reported by out of market sources, anyone who follows them on Twitter is going to see it. I really can't think of any major leaks of trades that became non-trades/signings after it had been reported by that many outlets. CBS and ESPN had this one. The Dempster trade reached beyond the local media, as did Soler.
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I'm baffled by the sheer number of people who seem to honestly believe this. Or that seem to think the rest of baseball is keeping some kind of running tally and laughing at the Cubs over it. How many major trades/signings can you remember in recent years that we're reported as sure things by major outlets and respected sources and turned out to be no goes? ESPN and CBS had this. Dempster and Soler were reported by some major sources as well. Obviously, the Twitter age is responsible for this, but I can't think of many other major non-trades that were prematurely reported as done deals by multiple respected sources. There was also the Pujols fiasco last year, also Twitter generated, but the last pre-Twitter debacle of this sort I can remember was Peavy, also the Cubs.
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Assuming he is relatively healthy, he likely leapfrogs his way to the 2nd most expensive FA starting pitcher behind Greinke. If we pulled the Marmol+however much cash offer off the table, whatever the reason, I can't see us offering up 3-4 years. However, it could lower the price for guys like Marcum and McCarthy.
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Pretty much. Sucks thinking you're going to get a shiny new toy and it doesn't happen, but we've known all along that this wasn't the direction this train was headed. Still would have been an amazing return for Marmol.
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Am I forgetting one? Dempster and this one. What else? Soler Part 1. Also, multiple Garza trades.
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If nothing else, Theo a history of running a covert operation. If this trade isn't to be, it would mark the 3rd major leak of a "done deal" in the past 6 months.
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My gut tells me that by about 11:58 EDT, the deal or one similar will be final.