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What's the batting order look like now?
Backtobanks replied to OleMissCub's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
If Roberts is playing 2B, then DeRosa won't be in the lineup. -
He had his chance to trade Dye and didn't. Hes committed to his players and I'm guessing has the edict from above that they are not going to be rebuilding so soon after a WS Ring (even though thats what they should be doing). Crede is going to go before opening day for sure, but thats not going to get him much. He is doing what sooooo many teams do that they shouldn't, meander in the middle. Imagine if Kenny didn't resign all those players and give them no-trade contracts. Think about the prospects he could get for Buerhle, Konerko, Dye, Crede, Vasquez, etc. They should have traded Garland for prospects (Aybar & Wood?) With luck, they have a shot at 3rd place in 2008 and no farm system to replace all of their aging players. Look at the offers that the Orioles are getting for Bedard and imagine putting Buerhle's name out there. Think about what the Angels would offer for Konerko. The Swisher trade wasn't bad if you have a competitive team for 2008, but the Sox don't.
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Just goes to show you that we shouldn't be too quick to say a player (Greene, Peralta) is unavailable. Swisher was perfect for the A's (young, cheap, high OBP, etc) and they traded him for the right package. As many posters have written........no player should be considered untouchable, it's just a matter of getting the right players in return.
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From MLBtrade rumors.com: Pirates could still trade SS Wilson? Though Jack Wilson will be back to begin the 2008 season with the Pirates, don't mistake that for believing that we have heard the last of his name in the trade rumor mill. With shortstop prospect Brian Bixler getting closer to being Major League-ready and Wilson's price tag ready to increase again next season, Wilson is likely to be seen as expendable. I wouldn't be surprised to hear Wilson's name floating around as early as the July 31 trading deadline this year. Depending on the Pirates' position in the standings, Bixler's progress and the demand for a veteran shortstop, Wilson could be highly sought after and/or shopped. -- PittsburghPirates.com
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In the extremely unlikely event you can make that happen, do it. That's about the way I feel. Of course I'd love to have Greene or Peralta more than Roberts. San Diego and Cleveland are going to demand a lot more talent than what is being offered in the Roberts deal though. The only reason the Cubs can get Roberts for that price is that Baltimore can afford to play all 3 players and see if they develop. That adds value to all of them, while in San Diego and Cleveland they'd be role players and only 1-2 of them might have a chance to develop. These are the players on the Cubs that I consider trade bait: Murton, Marshall, Gallagher, Pignatello, Cotts, Marquis, Dempster, Patterson, Cedeno, Veal, Fox, and whoever else I forgot. We might have to overpay or get a third team involved (see "Rumblings about Snell's availability"), but I can't believe Hendry can't put a package together to interest SD, Cleveland, or a third team in a 3-way trade.
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I still think the Cubs could use the players mentioned in the Roberts trade to pry loose either Greene from SD or Peralta from Cleveland and have a SS, which is a position of need. Secondly, you don't have the steroid problem hanging over your team. There are a few threads going about trades for these players (some involve 3-way trades) which make better use of our resources (trade bait) than replacing a productive 2B with a slightly more productive 2B.
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Assuming the Roberts trade happens, the Cubs already have a super-sub in DeRosa. Cedeno has always done well in the minors and winter ball, but hasn't yet carried that over into the majors. There is a lot of support on NSBB to make Cedeno the starting SS over Theriot, but I just don't think Lou will give him the chance. As I have written before, I think Cedeno, Murton, and Marshall will have solid major league careers, but not with the Cubs because they won't get a chance.
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He could get a steal on the back end of a double steal.
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The Pirates get out from under some contracts and end up with a young SS, 3B, CF, starter, and future starter. I don't think that is too bad for a team that isn't going anywhere and has a low budget. They will be loaded with players under their control contractually for quite a few years.
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Yeah, Brandon Wood from the Angels.
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Give Hendry a call and tell him to get it done.
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Saw this proposal at Orioles Hangout. What do you think? How about this 3 way deal with the Cubs and Angels?? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave and other Cubs fans...Need your feedback on this: Angels get: Bedard Cubs get: Figgins BRob Orioles get: Pie Wood Saunders Adenhart Gallagher EPat Dave and other Cubs fans...Would Hendry trade Pie for Figgins? He seems to really be enamored by him. I know we talked about this before but can't remember if Pie was involved in those talks.
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There is some speculation that Ian Snell might be available for 3 major-league ready players. (from Bucco Blog) Young, inexpensive, right-handed pitcher sounds good to me. The problem is that it looks like some of our prime trade bait is being mentioned as part of the Roberts deal. Forget the Roberts deal, how about this blockbuster: San Diego gets: Jack Wilson, Jason Bay (Pirates) & Murton (Cubs) Cubs get: Greene (San Diego) & Snell (Pirates) Pirates get: Headley (San Diego), Marshall/Gallagher, Patterson, Cedeno, Veal (Cubs) That's a real 10-player blockbuster! =D> =D> =D>
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Assuming the trade for Roberts happens, all of the discussion centered on DeRosa being a "super sub" and getting about 400 AB. Short of an injury to a key player(or becoming a starting SS), I would think that Roberts, ARam, Soriano, and Fukudome are all penciled in for 150+ games each. How is DeRosa going to get 400 AB? This is one reason that I think the Cubs ought to use their resources to target a SS rather than Roberts. Replacing DeRosa with Roberts only improves the team minimally while replacing Theriot with Greene or Peralta would be a huge upgrade. While we're not sure whether Greene or Peralta are available, I would think that by offering a package that might be considered overpaying might do the trick.
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Yu Darvish On Yankees' Radar? Yu Darvish is a 21 year-old Iranian-Japanese starter for the Nippon Ham Fighters. Darvish backs up his celebrity status as perhaps Japan's best pitcher. His Wikipedia page is a good read. Today, East Windup Chronicle speaks of a thirdhand report indicating the Yankees' intent to acquire Darvish after the 2008 season. Apparently the Dodgers, Mets, and Cubs are on his trail as well. According to the report, Daisuke Matsuzaka's $8.6MM salary would be the floor with Darvish. And I'm guessing his posting fee would easily exceed Dice-K's $51.1MM. Two huge questions remain. Are the Fighters actually considering posting Darvish after the '08 season? The loss of such a popular player would be a huge hit for Japanese baseball. Also, does Darvish even want to play in the U.S.?
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Cedeno's got the potential to be a good fielder, but Hu is already GG calibur. With both, you get the chance they hit for something, and if they don't you atleast get premium defense at the position with Hu. Just what we need, another Dodger SS who drives in runs with his glove. In many of my posts, I've been trying to propose getting a "real" SS as opposed to spending resources on a 2B (which we don't need). As I wrote in an earlier post, I don't think Cedeno will be given the opportunity to be the starting SS under Piniella, so we might as well try to obtain someone who can hit and field better than Theriot. Obviously, nobody knows how well Hu will be able to hit, but his minor league stats seem to be favorable plus he can field the position. The end result is that the proposed trade offers another potential option at SS while not giving up a vital part of the team.
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Cedeno's got the potential to be a good fielder, but Hu is already GG calibur. With both, you get the chance they hit for something, and if they don't you atleast get premium defense at the position with Hu. Plus the fact that I think Cedeno is falling into the same category as Murton and Marshall......players that Lou doesn't believe in and won't give them a fair shot at a starting job. I think all three of them have a good chance to be successful, but it won't be with the Cubs.
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Well, he split his time between AA and AAA last year and hit a combined .325, 14 HRs, 40 doubles, slugged .505, and was selected Dodgers' Minor League Player of the Year. Sure sounds like he has the potential to be a very good major league SS. As for Crede being garbage, the Dodgers are rumored to be thinking about Rolen (expensive, injured garbage). Also, getting anything out of Crede would be worth ditching Pierre (plus $15 million) and the other $21.5 million owed to him. a sub 850 OPS in Vegas is pathetic. I wasn't looking at Hu to replace ARod, but more for the old-fashioned middle infielder who can hit for average, run, and field his position. We'll leave the slugging to Soriano, DLee, and ARam.
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Well, he split his time between AA and AAA last year and hit a combined .325, 14 HRs, 40 doubles, slugged .505, and was selected Dodgers' Minor League Player of the Year. Sure sounds like he has the potential to be a very good major league SS. As for Crede being garbage, the Dodgers are rumored to be thinking about Rolen (expensive, injured garbage). Also, getting anything out of Crede would be worth ditching Pierre (plus $15 million) and the other $21.5 million owed to him.
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While waiting for the baseball offices to reopen, here's a deal to contemplate: Dodgers get: Crede (White Sox) White Sox get: Pierre & $15 million (Dodgers) and Marshall (Cubs) Cubs get: Hu (Dodgers) If Hu isn't ready to take over at SS in 2008, he certainly should be ready in 2009.
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If memory serves, the only published offer from the Tribe was Lee, Shoppach, and Gutierrez. The offer was Lee, Shoppach, Gutierrez, and a minor league pitcher for Bay and Paulino. They don't need a lefty pitcher making $3 million (Lee) coming off a horrible year because they have 3 lefties in the rotation now. Murton's stats are much better than Gutierrez' stats. Shoppach might be a slightly better option than Barrett, but they have been after Barrett. Cedeno saves them money at SS and Gallagher gives them a young RH starter. Paulino and Marshall would be an attractive trade package for a future deal. As another poster pointed out, you're never sure what the Pirates are trying to do when they make a deal, but loading up with a starting C, a young SS, a young LF, and 2 young starters, while shedding quite a bit of payroll sounds like a good move for a low-budget, bottom-of-the-division team.
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I'm getting bored waiting for these GMs to get back to work. I still think I would rather go for a SS than another 2B. How about a 3-way deal: Padres get: Jason Bay and Jack Wilson (from Pirates) Cubs get: Khalil Greene and Scott Hairston (from Padres) Pirates get: Michael Barrett (from Padres), Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher, and Marshall (from Cubs). With a little bit of tweaking, I think it looks pretty good. I know Greene isn't a lefty and doesn't bat leadoff, but I still think it would be more efficient to use our resources to obtain a SS rather than another 2B. Getting Roberts removes DeRosa from the lineup and I still don't see how DeRosa would get 400 AB as a utility man unless there is a major injury (ARam, Fukudome, or Soriano) or he can play SS regularly. Soriano Fukudome DLee Aram Greene Soto DeRosa Pie =D> =D> =D>
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Prior to the Padres
Backtobanks replied to inari's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
He really must think he is going to come back and pitch well, since the Padres are paying him quite a bit less than what the Cubs would have paid him in 2008. As for him being "soft", Tom Shaer (sp?) was on CLTV's Sports Page Sunday night and said that two veterans on the Cubs told him that Prior wasn't respected by his team mates and that they thought he was soft. That's the first time that I had heard any "official" confirmation that team mates thought he was soft. Of course there's been a ton of discussion from fans and sports radio on his wussiness. -
Quite a while ago, I mentioned something about trying to get Keppinger and most of the responses pointed out that Keppinger isn't any more of a SS than Theriot. I thought his offensive numbers looked pretty good, but apparently his defense and range aren't up to par. Also, I imagine cooperating with a team in our division on a 3-way trade might be difficult.
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He's not a lefty, so we don't want him.