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Although I take no stock in this, just for argument's sake, that is way too I Dropped The Soap! much to give up for a player we don't need. That'd be a horrific trade. I'd probably do it at this point.

This offseason is too unique to compare it to others in the past. Look at the O's still working on a Bedard trade this late... I think that's holding up other deals for the Cubs (obviously) and other teams (possibly).

If Roberts is Hendry's idea of a big move I'm not sure I'd be willing to devote 160+ pages to the other big move. I think you underestimate Roberts value. I was on the fence with this deal but I am now convinced that, if he lives up to his projected production, he could be the most valuable member of the team.

Someone else over at OH said they preferred Marshall over Gallagher because he could be a veteran innings eater. LOL, since when? :scratch:

OH has a link to a Cubs board that claims to know that Sherrill will be flipped to the Cubs in the Roberts deal. It also goes on to say that it assures two pitchers going back to Baltimore. If true, my guess would be Gallagher and Marquis (and probably a position player) I don't know anything about the blog so take it for what it's worth. Link

He's washed up. I don't buy into the Cards pixie dust theory.

I posted this in another thread but it belongs in the catch-all. :lol: Hendry just said, on CTL, that he inquired about Santana through the Twins and was told from the organization (because he did not have the right to contact the player directly, that Johan would only waive his NTC for a team in the East that trained in FL. BTW, he also said that the Cubs have no intentions of trading DeRosa even if they acquire another player (read Roberts). There goes that DeRosa rumor... Lou just said there will be competition in CF with his "athletic kids." Pie/Fuld and don't be surprised if Cedeno gets a look in center. Besides that, Lou gave the standard manager line about being happy with the guys they have... Also said he wants to see what Dempster and Lieber have in ST.

Hendry just said, on CTL, that he inquired about Santana through the Twins and was told from the organization (because he did not have the right to contact the player directly, that Johan would only waive his NTC for a team in the East that trained in FL. BTW, he also said that the Cubs have no intentions of trading DeRosa even if they acquire another player (read Roberts). There goes that DeRosa rumor...

Please stop trying to add validity to your statements with "the Cubs believe it and so do I..." This isn't giving your idea anymore credence (especially when the statement can be debated). The Cubs want Roberts because he is left handed. Period.

It probably would, although it does deprive the Cubs of pretty much their 2 CF prospects in the entire system, and the Orioles really don't have a need for either one of them, let alone both. Gallagher would have to be pretty special to prefer the Cubs resort to finding stopgaps to play in CF for the next 5 years. I love Gallagher's potential and put him right up there with Pie now as far as value, but he's the more expendable piece if we have to give up one of them. I have to imagine the O's will want pitching first and foremost, especially after dealing Bedard. Yeah this is Andy we're talking about here.

I agree with you; once this Roberts deal is finally finished, I think DeRosa and another pitcher (Dempster and or Marquis depending on what's included in the first deal) will be traded for a starter. It appears that Pie won't be moved (at least not for Roberts) so, unless he goes in a later deal for pitching I don't see room for another "big" deal involving a position player. It makes more sense to me that the second move is a pitcher.

I love the idea of moving Marquis but there should be a corresponding move (perhaps, the second of the two deals Hendry talked about). Z, Hill, Lilly, Marshall, and Lieber doesn't do much for me. Marshall has yet to pitch 200 innings so it's hard to count on him for an entire season. Hopefully, another quality starter move is waiting in the wings.

Hendry and Lou, I think, are both scheduled to be on Chicago Tribune Live tomorrow. They set those guests in advance. My guess is that they were hoping to have something different to talk about (when they scheduled) but nothing has happened. Well, unless something fun happens in the next 24 hours...

When you become a mod you can do that all by yourself. Kick a guy while he's down why don't you? :( What? My guy told me you were in and they were just waiting to file the paperwork. My source told me they didn't want to do it while Meph was making his predictions on predictions because they didn't want to still his thunder. They didn't want to steal it too. :D

Bedard's agent denies negotiating an extension. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3221864

Where's that at? They sent out a new email offering the Starting 9 pack to people registered at Cubs.com (not necessarily awaiting season tickets). I got the second email on Monday. It features the following dates: Friday, August 8 vs. St. Louis Cardinals Friday, September 19 vs. St. Louis Cardinals Saturday, September 20 vs. St. Louis Cardinals Saturday, July 12 vs. San Francisco Giants Saturday, August 30 vs. Philadelphia Phillies link

Did Crane specifically say they weren't pitchers? And this 2 deal thing has been around awhile now, I doubt Crisp would be one of the guys since he was on and off in the Santana discussions. You can listen to the podcast yourself.

Tampering is limited to either 1) talking in public about another teams players, or 2) talking to another teams player directly and possibly promising them something. Hendry can call MacPhail all he wants and discuss any player he wants to. Hendry can even call the press and say that he's interested in such and such a player, if it's off the record. What he cannot do is have it on the record that it came from Hendry. Hendry cannot come out and say that he's interested in trading for Roberts. That's why whenever anybody asks him about Roberts in public situations, Hendry says that he cannot talk about players from other teams. I don't think so. They (GMs) do it all the time. No, they don't do it all the time. GMs typically decline comment, when asked about specific players on other teams, citing the tampering rules as a reason.

I was just about to post this thought. It's tampering. This is now, at least, the second time this offseason that Towers has openly mentioned by name specific players from another team. He's not suppose to do that... Explain how it is tampering? Here's an old quote from the commissioner. Tampering rules are private, so it's hard to figure out what exactly is over the line. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1838447 Many people feel that Hank Steinbrenner has been tampering in the Santana trade talks for doing many of the same types of quotes that Towers is doing, and the Twins are not happy about it. Here's a blog from a writer from the Minnesota StarTribune on that: http://nc.startribune.com/blogs/neal/?p=282 I don't know what to make of those blog entries but if you read what other GMs and MLB writers say, it seem clear. Also, Selig may not be strong enough of a leader to enforce the rules. http://www.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/min/y2007/m10/d01/c2243692.jsp http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20061116&content_id=1742052&vkey=news_pit&fext=.jsp&c_id=pit http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050801&content_id=1153990&vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=mlb&id=3213383

I was just about to post this thought. It's tampering. This is now, at least, the second time this offseason that Towers has openly mentioned by name specific players from another team. He's not suppose to do that... Explain how it is tampering? It's tampering because the rule prohibits team officials from openly coveting another team's players.

I was just about to post this thought. It's tampering. This is now, at least, the second time this offseason that Towers has openly mentioned by name specific players from another team. He's not suppose to do that...

And Phil Rogers has a source that says we are trying to get Bedard and Roberts. The deal would include Pie among others. http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/01/fast-food-for-t.html Who knows what to think anymore. More on this: At the very least, this sounds like Rogers believes his source... I think there's something to this but that doesn't mean that Angelos is going to allow the trade. Ehh, while I really want to believe this from Rogers, i've got to stick with Bruce's guns. I have to disagree. I have no idea where Bruce stands on this issue right now (especially since it is very fluid) but there is something to this and more than one media person believes this to be true. I can understand the Cubs denials but where there's smoke there's fire. Angelos' interference is making a lot of credible people look bad. Bruce's "stance" on this is posted on this page. He basically dispelled Rogers and his "source". I'd like it to be true, but I don't really know. I like Bruce as much as everyone else but he was the one who said initially, and I believe somewhere in this thread, that the Cubs had expressed no interest in Bedard at all (or something to that effect). Now, he's basically acknowledging that they had talks that, according to his "informed" sources, have not been revived. So there seems to be some kind of disconnect. Unfortunately, this isn't something that can be proven either way because only a small number of people are privy to both sides of the negotiations.

And Phil Rogers has a source that says we are trying to get Bedard and Roberts. The deal would include Pie among others. http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/01/fast-food-for-t.html Who knows what to think anymore. More on this: At the very least, this sounds like Rogers believes his source... I think there's something to this but that doesn't mean that Angelos is going to allow the trade. Ehh, while I really want to believe this from Rogers, i've got to stick with Bruce's guns. I have to disagree. I have no idea where Bruce stands on this issue right now (especially since it is very fluid) but there is something to this and more than one media person believes this to be true. I can understand the Cubs denials but where there's smoke there's fire. Angelos' interference is making a lot of credible people look bad.

And Phil Rogers has a source that says we are trying to get Bedard and Roberts. The deal would include Pie among others. http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/01/fast-food-for-t.html Who knows what to think anymore. More on this: At the very least, this sounds like Rogers believes his source... I think there's something to this but that doesn't mean that Angelos is going to allow the trade.

Listen to the interview again (or for the first time) here