moving a runner over is better than not moving a runner - but its not as good as not making an out - not nearly as good. it should not be the batter's goal when he goes to the plate unless the situation specifically calls for a single run (example down one late with a runner on second). In the early innings, its generally a bad play. Now if you're facing vintage pedro and you are 0-30 lifetime, maybe that's a different story. bottom line is a team of loafers who can hit is better than a team of hustlers who can't. you give me 8 ramirezes (manny or aramis) and I will outscore your pierres 100 out of 100 times. so when you evaluate who you want, you look at production first. Let me ask you this, if you are Ken Macha, do you want Frank Thomas busting his butt to slide hard into second? I sure wouldn't due to the risk of injury. I agree that given the same production, I would take the hustler to the non-hustler, but production is far more important. I really don't see any defense for Jones's baserunning - his head is obviously not in the game. to me that's even worse than not running out a groundball.