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Check the Bears thread-the Bears only moved up in the second round from #63 to #37, they didn't actually get an extra second rounder.

According to draft value charts, moving up in the 2nd is probably more valuable. I'd take the 3rd though, but of course it's hard to know if the Jets would offer a 3rd or not.

Actually, they are saying it's Jones/Bears 2nd rd for the Jets 2nd rd pick. If the Bears had to thrown in their 2nd rd, plus Jones to move up 5 spots int eh 2nd rd, then this deal SUCKS for Bears. The Jets get a proven RB, plus only lose 5 spots in the 2nd rd. The Bears have to get a 3rd rd pick this yr or next, to make this a "fair deal." Yeah, I saw that and put an edit on my post-just a little too late :D This is a bad deal for the Bears, but like I thought originally (before I was shocked by this trade), the market for running backs is just not that good-it hasn't been for years. I thought the Bears could get a 4th for him-it seems they didn't even get that.

Wow-good job predicting it Bears fans. Another board is reporting that this deal was for the Jets second rounder-they must have seen the money that the running backs were getting on the free agent market and gotten desperate. This is a good deal for the Bears. Edit: Wait a minute on that, there are conflicting reports on what has been traded. Another source is claiming that the Bears only moved up in the second round by making this trade-I'm going to wait to figure out what it actually is.

Not sure. I don't think LT was a consensus #1 last season... Larry Johnson probably went #1 in more leagues, and Shawn Alexander was also in the mix. That was my point. LJ was the #1 last year (and then it was a fight between Tomlinson and Alexander for #2). In all my years of fantasy, the somewhat consensus #1 draft pick in football never ends up being the #1 fantasy scorer.

His only hit given up in 2 innings was a bunt single, so he had to have looked pretty good.

it's sad that the AP needed to run this... talk about pressure What do you mean? It seems like a pretty standard report of his outing. Will the AP be releasing info about Lilly's first outing? Maybe, but it will be included in the game report. A possible star who has his first outing coming back from injury? That's news that many people who may not follow the games as closely will want to know, and a different story is deserved for that.

it's sad that the AP needed to run this... talk about pressure What do you mean? It seems like a pretty standard report of his outing.

It wasn't an analysis-it was just an informal poll of people in baseball-that was just how they ranked them.

Bruce said there is no gun up on the board at the stadium-I'm sure there are some guns actually there, and the question is if Sullivan could get access to interview one of those people during the game. Or just has to be sitting near someone with a gun. There you go-looking for the easy and logical answer again :D You're right of course, Sullivan was probably just sitting in a little different place than Bruce and could see a gun from where he was.

Bruce said there is no gun up on the board at the stadium-I'm sure there are some guns actually there, and the question is if Sullivan could get access to interview one of those people during the game.

The reason he went to the bullpen in the first place was because he gave out after a certain number of pitches. He was always dominant before that point-for him to be dominant for a few pitches here doesn't change the point that lengthening him out might do the same thing as before. Let's keep him throwing well in the bullpen for now.

DeRosa is doing very well so far-he's another one to watch with the uncertainty if last year was a career year or not.

That's what happens when you win 66 games the previous year and half the team is either new or coming off injuries-people want to see how they look early, even in meaningless spring training games.

Hmmm-Randy Johnson maybe? :D

Yeah, I've heard they have one great announcer who is slowly retiring and everyone else is terrible. That one announcer must not be doing any part of ST games anymore.

I hope this isn't Lilly. I thought he was to follow Prior? It's ben Howard Since they had to bring Prior out in the middle of the inning, that changed their plans-they are not going to put Lilly in during the middle of an inning.

I don't think any of that is being debated. What is questioned is if these hitters in the Padres organization were bypassing pitches they could drive in order to fulfill their mandate of being "patient" that their coaches were emphasizing, which led to more walks and more times down in the count. Patience until a pitch to drive comes along is the best strategy, but I think the evidence would at least give a possibility of indicating that this was not the strategy that some of the Padres affiliates were using-instead, from their stats, their hitters appeared to be going up to the plate looking for a walk.

Rufus Alexander How big is Briggs? Rufus played this year at 217, I'm sure Briggs is closer to 240. I don't know that Rufus is big enough to succeed in the NFL to be honest with you. 217 pound linebacker? That's huge for the Colts-in fact, Cato June is about to get a big payday and is only 204 pounds (and is probably actually under 200). That doesn't necessarily mean that Rufus will succeed for the Bears, but with the similarity in schemes a small linebacker could work well for the Bears as long as he has the required speed.

I'm not sure how it proves anything like that-anybody can be taught to take more walks at the expense of some of their hits. What San Diego is trying to do is instill plate discipline and make their hitters better, which I don't think this evidence has any proof for that at all. Edit: I do think plate discipline to a point is learned (some of it is natural, and some of it can be improved)-but this shows me very little except that they pushed their hitters to take more pitchers, which in a couple leagues caused high walks, high SO's, and very low AVG and SLG. That's not true at all. The high strike outs, low average, and slugging are independent of plate discipline. It shows how bad some of the players are in their system. Adam Dunn has high strikes, low average and great slugging. I'm not saying that plate discipline and those things are inextricably linked-they certainly aren't (one can have great AVG and great SLG and still have great plate discipline). I'm saying that the fact that those numbers are the way there are might suggest that the Padres hitters took more pitches simply to take more pitches, and found themselves down down in the count a great deal. There might have been such an emphasis on taking pitches that hitters were scared to go after the first few pitches, which led to either walks or being down 0-2 or 1-2-counts that are linked to high K rates and low AVG and SLG. It could come from the players in the Padres system as well, but that could be an explanation for those rates. Now-even if they are doing that, it may be a good long-term strategy. Teach the plate discipline and force people to watch plenty of pitches, and then slowly let them start attacking pitches that they now know are good pitches.

I'm not sure how it proves anything like that-anybody can be taught to take more walks at the expense of some of their hits. What San Diego is trying to do is instill plate discipline and make their hitters better, which I don't think this evidence has any proof for that at all. Edit: I do think plate discipline to a point is learned (some of it is natural, and some of it can be improved)-but this shows me very little except that they pushed their hitters to take more pitchers, which in a couple leagues caused high walks, high SO's, and very low AVG and SLG.

The Sunday finals have sometimes little to do with their seeding-the conference tournaments overall though can have a huge effect on seeding-a team can move up several lines on the seeding charts by going deep into their tournament (obviously, the higher you go, especially once you get to 3rd seed or so, it starts getting much harder to move up). For example, I think Indiana can be anywhere between a 4 seed and a 11 seed depending on their performance in the Big 10 tournament.

Well, they won't be a top 15 team now with that conference record when the polls come out today-and I don't think any serious bracketologist has them as a 3 or a 4 seed either. CBS Sportsline has them as an 8 and ESPN has them as a 7. I think you have to wait and see how t7hey play in the ACC Tourney. if they goo out in the first two rounds, they will be a 6 or 7, IMO. But if they win the tourney, they couyld be as high as a 3, I'd wager. BTW: Jon Scheyer? OVER-RATED! True-I was just saying what they are right now. Championship Week can change everything-I mean, Syracuse was out of the tournament entering the Big East Tournament last year, and moved all the way up to a 5 seed by winning it-conference tournaments have a huge impact on seeding, so Duke could go either way right now.

I think it's worth mentioning that the Padres farm system is one of the worst in baseball. The lack of good to decent position playing prospects might have a much bigger impact on the lack of run scoring, as well as won/loss records of their minor league teams. That's a very valid point. There's too many variables right now that could skew the results like that, and unfortunately due to promotions there is no way to isolate a teams result from year to year either.

The fact that runs are low doesn't prove that the emphasis is to the detriment of the players. It's a detriment to the minor league teams' ability to score runs. But that's meaningless. It's only a detriment if it causes some "should be" major leaguers to completely flame out. But you'd never be able to prove that. That's why I want more data-I can definitely say that this cannot be proven as a positive thing either though with the available data. Right now it is completely up in the air if this very patient approach will have a positive effect or negative effect.