lets see, my prognosis for Marshall next year is a 5 or so era and for Zambrano, the high threes so we're looking for two pitchers who can put up an era in mid 4s on average. oh there's jake westbrook. that's one. westbrook probably wont be getting lilly money since hes having a down season. then we can have carlos silva. he's probably going to get less than lilly money as well. we'd, of course, still have plenty of money to spend on say adam dunn, a real catcher, etc. westbrook and silva would combine for an ERA in the low to mid 4s, pretty damn close to the likely scenario with zambrano and marshall.